If we vote for Brexit what happens

A_Pict_In_A_Past_Life

Masomnia wrote: »

Maybe I've seen too many episodes of The Thick of It but I'm sure it was leaked by the government, just a question of who and why. I'm sure all will become clear later.

Heh, I did think myself: "A deliberate accident.".

Conrad

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/11/17/brexit-briefing/

Still no Bregrets...

68% of people think that Britain should go ahead with Brexit, unchanged from when we asked the same question in October. People who voted to Remain in June are evenly divided between those who opposed Brexit, but think the government has a duty to implement the decision and leave

gfplux

We have to remember how wrong polls have been in the past
Also that politicians have recently paid heavy prices for NOT listening to "the people"

As I have said on a number of occasions. Many Europeans were shocked that Britain voted to leave the EU particularly as Britain was considered over the years to have negotiated a better deal than the other 27. There is no mood to grant an easy deal for leaving.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/29/germans-want-merkel-to-take-tough-line-with-uk-over-brexit-poll-finds

"Fifty-eight percent of the German public think Berlin should not be open to compromise with Britain over its EU departure and instead think Merkel should take a firm negotiating position, the Körber Foundation poll found."

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CLAPTON

gfplux wrote: »

We have to remember how wrong polls have been in the past
Also that politicians have recently paid heavy prices for NOT listening to "the people"

As I have said on a number of occasions. Many Europeans were shocked that Britain voted to leave the EU particularly as Britain was considered over the years to have negotiated a better deal than the other 27. There is no mood to grant an easy deal for leaving.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/29/germans-want-merkel-to-take-tough-line-with-uk-over-brexit-poll-finds

"Fifty-eight percent of the German public think Berlin should not be open to compromise with Britain over its EU departure and instead think Merkel should take a firm negotiating position, the Körber Foundation poll found."

the article didn't say what percentage of germans were prepared to lose their own jobs to punish the UK : but maybe they didn't ask that question?

Moto2

I see a whole bunch of Tory MPs have written to Donald Tusk complaining that the EU negotiators are obstructing negotiations?

That must have been a very easy and satisfying come back from Tusk

Thrugelmir

gfplux wrote: »

There is no mood to grant an easy deal for leaving.

What's an easy deal? The negotiations are to establish an ongoing relationship. Once gone the UK is out.

Many Europeans were shocked that Britain voted to leave the EU particularly as Britain was considered over the years to have negotiated a better deal than the other 27.

Hardly surprising given the UK is a net contributor. Majority of those who joined after the UK struck the deal are net beneficiaries. Hardly surprising that they aren't happy if the gravy train ceases.

CLAPTON

Moto2 wrote: »

I see a whole bunch of Tory MPs have written to Donald Tusk complaining that the EU negotiators are obstructing negotiations?

That must have been a very easy and satisfying come back from Tusk

seems the standard EU response to most problems

Ignore the best interests of the EU's own citizens to score a political point.
It does provide a ready answer to anyone asking for guarantees that EU citizens already here should have a right to remain.

TrickyTree83

CLAPTON wrote: »

seems the standard EU response to most problems

Ignore the best interests of the EU's own citizens to score a political point.
It does provide a ready answer to anyone asking for guarantees that EU citizens already here should have a right to remain.

The same people in the UK calling for unilateral announcement that we would guarantee EU citizens rights can easily be defined by looking at the following passage.

Identify a domain of human endeavour, note there is a distribution of success, some people are doing comparatively better and some are doing comparatively worse. Define those doing worse as victims, define those doing better as perpetrators, identify with the victims, have yourself a set of enemies handy to vent your resentment on, feel good about it even though it didn't require any work on your part and then endlessly repeat.

That's from a Canadian philosophy professor, a Canada which is also currently under siege by social justice, they've even got an activist as a President who loved Castro.

I'm happy that pragmatism is winning the day in the negotiations currently.

Conrad

gfplux wrote: »

We have to remember how wrong polls have been in the past
Also that politicians have recently paid heavy prices for NOT listening to "the people"

As I have said on a number of occasions. Many Europeans were shocked that Britain voted to leave the EU particularly as Britain was considered over the years to have negotiated a better deal than the other 27. There is no mood to grant an easy deal for leaving.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/29/germans-want-merkel-to-take-tough-line-with-uk-over-brexit-poll-finds

"Fifty-eight percent of the German public think Berlin should not be open to compromise with Britain over its EU departure and instead think Merkel should take a firm negotiating position, the Körber Foundation poll found."

I wonder what percentage of Germans would agree to mutual self harm by way of hampering trade, and punishing your key local military partner with by far the most competent intelligence services?