If we vote for Brexit what happens

TrickyTree83

mayonnaise wrote: »

The claim that leave voters tend to be lower educated is not an insult, but a fact.

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/06/27/how-britain-voted/

Having a degree does not make one more intelligent, more informed, or superior unless you are arguing with the degree holder about their particular subject matter, and even then it's not a given.

The Computer Science degree holders that I've come across in my field are woefully ill-equipped for the workplace. Having been through the system myself I would say that the degrees students obtain these days have had the standards lowered across the board, however there are notable exceptions.

Do creative or humanities degrees make these people better placed to make the 'correct' choice in your view? In mine I'd say they would more likely subscribe to a particular political ideology having been through a system dominated by people who preach these ideologies. Giving them and their peers a false sense of piety on subjects like the EU referendum.

setmefree2

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Having a degree does not make one more intelligent, more informed, or superior unless you are arguing with the degree holder about their particular subject matter, and even then it's not a given.

Clearly so true.

TBH I find Remainers intellectually lazy (whether they possess a degree or not). They simply pass on the opportunity to lay a coherent argument on issues that a lot of people genuinely feel have negatively impacted their livelihood such as “uncontrolled immigration”, “unfettered globalization”, “lopsided trade deals”, “terrorism”, et al, but are instead happy to tag Brexiters with characterizations.

This imho appears to be an attempt to shut down any form of reasonable debate for lack of an appropriate counter narrative that speaks to the issue. This pseudo-intellectual and pretentiously elitist style of dishing out labels at opponents is unintelligent and the “ordinary people” are simply not buying it any longer and contrary to what so called progressives might think people are not stupid.

Moby

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2016/nov/23/autumn-statement-2016-philip-hammond-brexit-growth-deficit-housing-jams-universal-credit-minimum-wage-live

Paradoxically, however, today was just about the one day when something like a budgetary statement was in order from the chancellor. That’s because of one thing alone – Brexit. Hammond’s statement was a chance to make a first big assessment of the impact of Brexit on the UK economy. The verdict is, without question, bleak. Growth is down, borrowing has to rise, and the dream of a surplus has been deferred to “as soon as practicable”, ie never.
Hammond’s other big problem is that tax take is falling. All those references in his speech to sustaining the tax base are Treasury code for the fact that Britain has continued to become a low wage, tax avoiding and increasingly unequal economy since 2010, in which there’s not enough public money to pay for public spending. That demands either more taxes or less spending, or both. Hammond has allowed himself to be boxed in on both options. But he gave a very important signal that pensions – and, less importantly in budgetary terms, the aid budget – will be cut after 2020, and the pension triple lock will be broken.

Says it all really....desperate times ahead....what a depressing place the UK is becoming!

TrickyTree83

Moby wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2016/nov/23/autumn-statement-2016-philip-hammond-brexit-growth-deficit-housing-jams-universal-credit-minimum-wage-live


Says it all really....desperate times ahead....what a depressing place the UK is becoming!

For anyone who actually watched the budget statement, you'll be able to see that the guardian is now in the business of printing/posting lies for pseudo political gain in the minds of those who will never check the facts for themselves.

For those of you who will instantly disagree with me, take a look at this:

and the dream of a surplus has been deferred to “as soon as practicable”, ie never.

and then watch the budget statement for yourself. All of it.

setmefree2

Moby wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2016/nov/23/autumn-statement-2016-philip-hammond-brexit-growth-deficit-housing-jams-universal-credit-minimum-wage-live


Says it all really....desperate times ahead....what a depressing place the UK is becoming!

The Treasury predicted we would be in recession by now with half a million jobs lost.

The Treasury predictions are nothing more than "guessing" at the moment.....

By the way, nothing depressing about my life....

CLAPTON

It's worth noting that every single incorrect economic forecast make by UK government, IMF, EU, World Bank, OBR, CBI and numerous other worthy organisations, have been made by graduates.

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2016/nov/23/autumn-statement-2016-philip-hammond-brexit-growth-deficit-housing-jams-universal-credit-minimum-wage-live


Says it all really....desperate times ahead....what a depressing place the UK is becoming!

ALL the forecasts seem to be predicting growth : but it's true that that have virtually all been proved wrong before.

setmefree2

Moby wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2016/nov/23/autumn-statement-2016-philip-hammond-brexit-growth-deficit-housing-jams-universal-credit-minimum-wage-live


Says it all really....desperate times ahead....what a depressing place the UK is becoming!

What more depressing than under Blair and Brown?

This is what the Labour Party did to the UK's budget deficit when times where good.



That's £221 billion of debt between 2001 and 2007 when we were in a boom. £101 Billion in year to 2008 and £153 billion in 2009/10. That's nearly half a trillion pounds worth of debt - a third of all national debt EVER!

Tell me did you spend the naughties feeling depressed about the amount of debt Labour was racking up?

OBR's forecast today.

OBR BUDGET DEFICIT FORECASTS
"The OBR now forecast that in cash terms, borrowing is set to be: 68.2 billion pounds this year; falling to 59 billion pounds next year; 46.5 billion pounds in 2018-19; then 21.9 billion pounds; 20.7 billion pounds, and finally 17.2 billion pounds in 2021-22.

setmefree2

Meanwhile in Labour La La Land

Jeremy Corbyn to pledge £500bn of spending in leadership speech

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/aug/04/corbyn-to-pledge-500bn-of-spending-in-leadership-speech

Moby

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/23/brexit-uncertainty-could-hit-investment-in-uk-warns-german-car-chief

Trade barriers would mean “a long period of uncertainties that will block future investments in Britain, and that makes me really concerned”, he said. “I hope that the British government … decides to go for the single market and not for any other regime which would need years to discuss and negotiate.”

From bad to worse.....such a depressing outlook for all our futures!