If we vote for Brexit what happens

Conrad

Herzlos wrote: »

No one has denied that in almost 700 pages, despite you mentioning it on every other one.

What you seem determined to miss is that our trade with the EU is not the same trade deal as everyone else. Ours is better. That betterness is worth more than the 2% fee we're paying in.

£28 million a day so we get to sell things to Europe that others have no problem selling to Europe, no thanks.


Every nation between Iceland and Turkey aside from Belarus enjoys a decent trade deal, all be well, stop getting so het up and worried

Herzlos

So do you actually believe that we don't get a preferable trade deal Vs non-EU countries? We've gone round this circle dozens of times.

Nellybee

I See Tony Blairs making a comeback With Richard Branson and Bob Geldof to try and stop Brexit .Blair's the guy who got 40% to go to college and university's on crappy college courses with no job at the end of them ,brainwash them with liberal views .These are the so called educated ones now they are trying to brainwash the rest of the country into there way of thinking because they cant think for themselves .As for the other two Branson and Geldof the less said the better.But the big question are these guys thinking of you or are they looking after themselves

vivatifosi

kabayiri wrote: »

I bet the biggest risk is political pride, on both sides.

Politicians will seize an opportunity to talk tough, especially when they have elections back home. Putting their career first, where have we heard that before!

If you left it to civil service types and business people, they would just get on with the hard grind associated with defining a new workable relationship.

We could see politicians on both sides swinging from fairly aggressive statements, back to more concilliatory tones.

I'm never sure whether some of the European politicians speak on behalf of the EU, or their own government. Will Merkel be steering Tusk and co.?

I think political pride will have paid a part. My own thought is that the biggest issue is that business does not like uncertainty when it plans to invest, therefore the government is trying to steer through Brexit while assuaging their fears.

FWIW, I think that entering an alternative arrangement (EEA or EFTA) as an intermediary action while deciding what our endgame is, is a sensible solution that gives breathing space and a bit more certainty.

mwpt

Herzlos wrote: »

So do you actually believe that we don't get a preferable trade deal Vs non-EU countries? We've gone round this circle dozens of times.

What Conrad is doing is making sure he has his bases covered. He is pulling a trump with his "all will be well" statement that he repeats in most posts. I do wonder if this is a natural thing he learned from selling mortgages or if he has read up on human psych but a reinforcement catchphrase is something politicians use all the time. The idea is that if you repeat it often enough the truth behind it ceases to matter. Much like Clapton's "poor african farmers" soundbite that he initiated and you now see parroted by the other quitters on this forum.

So basically, when Conrad says "all will be well" what he is doing is putting you at a disadvantage immediately because if you try to disagree with his posts, it looks like you're saying the opposite, that nothing will be well. It is a great strategy if all you want to do is win the popularity contest, but it makes for rubbish debates.

StevieJ

Oh my god post-truth is climaxing :eek: They are having a go at the chancellor for threatening to tell the truth now, you couldn't make it up

Their criticism is that by warning of “sharp challenges” and “a degree of uncertainty” for businesses, Hammond is undermining the case for Brexit and risks hurting confidence in the economy. He may incur their displeasure again this week if he’s not more upbeat about the outlook.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-22/hammond-risks-ire-of-brexit-campaigners-with-negative-tone

CLAPTON

mwpt wrote: »

What Conrad is doing is making sure he has his bases covered. He is pulling a trump with his "all will be well" statement that he repeats in most posts. I do wonder if this is a natural thing he learned from selling mortgages or if he has read up on human psych but a reinforcement catchphrase is something politicians use all the time. The idea is that if you repeat it often enough the truth behind it ceases to matter. Much like Clapton's "poor african farmers" soundbite that he initiated and you now see parroted by the other quitters on this forum.

So basically, when Conrad says "all will be well" what he is doing is putting you at a disadvantage immediately because if you try to disagree with his posts, it looks like you're saying the opposite, that nothing will be well. It is a great strategy if all you want to do is win the popularity contest, but it makes for rubbish debates.

given what you say is true : does that fit exactly into the mantra that all is woe and we are ruined and we have committed collective economic suicide that is repeated without evidence, ad nausea.

or is the human psych differently constructed for people that agree with you to those that don't.

You can, but I'm sure you won't, research the views on the potential benefits of trade with African countries : I can't claim any oringinal thought on the matter.

A genuine difference of views doesn't have to be explained in such terms and people who want to control our own laws, don't need to be described, disrespectably, as 'quitters'.

mayonnaise

Brexit vote wipes £1.2 trillion off UK household finances in 2016


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-latest-uk-finances-pound-value-stocks-2016-credit-suisse-a7431366.html

This represents one of the biggest drops in wealth among major economies, with households in Turkey and Colombia faring better than those in the UK. Only households in Mexico, Egypt Russia, Ukraine and Argentina suffered from bigger losses than those in the UK.

On a positive note, we have multi-kilowatt hoovers and bendy bananas to look forward to.

CLAPTON

mayonnaise wrote: »

Brexit vote wipes £1.2 trillion off UK household finances in 2016


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-latest-uk-finances-pound-value-stocks-2016-credit-suisse-a7431366.html


On a positive note, we have multi-kilowatt hoovers and bendy bananas to look forward to.

one assumes that anyone stupid enough to take this seriously, will already be on the plane to Columbia or Turkey to beat the rush.

Thrugelmir

Herzlos wrote: »

So do you actually believe that we don't get a preferable trade deal Vs non-EU countries? We've gone round this circle dozens of times.

Wait the negotiations. Then you'll see how others think. Self interest will come to the fore.