If we vote for Brexit what happens

Conrad

veryintrigued wrote: »

As someone who was 'on the fence' it seems there has been a huge amount of positive economic news post vote.

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Whilst hardened Remainers have merely rumour and forecast of bad things to come, Leavers have actual evidence of lots of corporations choosing to invest huge sums regardless.


I'll take actual evidence and events over forecasts and hearsay thanks

Conrad

mayonnaise wrote: »

You really think our steel will be competitive with GBP at ~$1.25? Jeez, Conrad...

More competitive than previously yes, jeez mayonaise

veryintrigued

mayonnaise wrote: »

You really think our steel will be competitive with GBP at ~$1.25? Jeez, Conrad...

Its incredibly competitive at the moment.

Google - British Steel if you get the opportunity between googling 'bad economic stories since the Brexit vote' type of search.

You'll also be chuffed that in the last few months the huge British Steel pension deficit has been slashed.

Don't let facts get in the way of arguments though....

Herzlos

Conrad wrote: »

For paying £28 million per day, what financial return to we get over and above that the other successful exporting nations get, such as Japan and USA, S Korea and Singapore that pay nothing in?

We get more than £28 million per day benefit out of it. Simples.

Conrad

Herzlos wrote: »

You seem to be obsessed with the idea that other non-EU nations can still trade with the EU successfully, whilst ignoring the fact that we get a vastly better deal than they do, because we're part of the single market.

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I don't see Japan, Korea the USA and others having much trouble selling us vast amounts of goods and services (many online services we buy from the US)



Prove we make AN ADDITIONAL£28 m per day on the same value of trade as Japan does with the EU

Herzlos

Conrad wrote: »

Whilst hardened Remainers have merely rumour and forecast of bad things to come, Leavers have actual evidence of lots of corporations choosing to invest huge sums regardless.


I'll take actual evidence and events over forecasts and hearsay thanks

You don't have any evidence of investment or growth because of Brexit.

You've quoted a few things that are happening despite Brexit, or were agreed before Brexit, and generally just jumping on everything that shows the world hasn't ended yet. Which no Remainers are contesting; we haven't left yet, we don't know what's happening; nothing is going wrong yet.

There are studies showing that at least £65bn of new investment has already been halted, attributed directly to Brexit, but you'll call that hearsay.

Herzlos

Conrad wrote: »

I don't see Japan, Korea the USA and others having much trouble selling us vast amounts of goods and services (many online services we buy from the US)

Because you don't seem to want to grasp the distinction between being able to trade, and being part of the single market. We pay far less to trade with the EU, per whatever unit you want, than Japan does.

Where is your evidence we benefit by at least £28 million per day on the same value of trade done by other non EU nations?

Prove we make AN ADDITIONAL£28 m per day on the same value of trade as Japan does with the EU

Assuming Japan traded with the EU to the same level we do, they currently trade about EU100bn annually, whilst we trade nearly £500bn.

We make about £1.37 billion worth of trade with the EU, every day, and you're fixated on a £28m payment, or 2% in order to facilitate it?

I don't know how to produce the figures you seem to want, but try looking at the actual numbers with a bit of critical thinking.

Conrad

Herzlos wrote: »

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We make about £1.37 billion worth of trade with the EU, every day, and you're fixated on a £28m payment, or 2% in order to facilitate it?

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That trade will carry on regardless, only without the daily £28 m club fee.


Other nations trade large volumes into the EU no club fee, no problem, perfectly acceptable profit margins


On the one had you endlessly call for more spending on NHS, flood defences, mental health and a so on, and on the other hand you seem blissfully unconcerned p1ssing away £28m per day for next to no ADDTIONAL benefit


AGAIN the EU will not harm its own trade and thus wont harm ours, we will find a solution and save £28 m per day

Herzlos

Conrad wrote: »

That trade will carry on regardless, only without the daily £28 m club fee.

Other nations trade large volumes into the EU no club fee, no problem, perfectly acceptable profit margins

No one has denied that in almost 700 pages, despite you mentioning it on every other one.

What you seem determined to miss is that our trade with the EU is not the same trade deal as everyone else. Ours is better. That betterness is worth more than the 2% fee we're paying in.

gfplux

Britain has not left the EU yet. It plans to. The process might start at the end of March 2017.
I look forward to lots of positive news for Britain in the mean time. I hope there is not a lot of bad news.
I guess that the present uncertainty is bad for Britain and the EU.