If we vote for Brexit what happens

gfplux

padington wrote: »

Free trade is good for everyone up to a point. That point being the countries you trade with have to be relatively free countries, not totalitarian states. Otherwise it's not free trade, it's dirty desperate trade. If people didn't trade with the nazi's like they did we might not have ended up with 6 million dead people.

That's why a free trading block of democracies is a great thing. Trading on equal terms with dictators, autocrats or fascists might make us better off in the short term but believe me, it won't make the world a better place, it won't make the world 'better off'.

I don't want to be pedantic but in the interests of accuracy the death toll during the 2nd world war was OVER 60 million not 6 million.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

kabayiri

Conrad wrote: »

More post-truth politics I see.


Our military projects by far the most power, experience, kit and competence locally. 2 massive aircraft carriers in the pipe, and yes we will have planes for them.

The funny thing about planes is that they are pretty mobile, and you could even borrow American hardware if there's a joint initiative.

You just need somewhere to land them.

The funny thing about aircraft carriers is that they provide a place for planes to land.

Herzlos

Conrad wrote: »

More post-truth politics I see.


Our military projects by far the most power, experience, kit and competence locally. 2 massive aircraft carriers in the pipe, and yes we will have planes for them.

I think we said that last time, too.

Also:

https://www.rt.com/uk/367629-royal-navy-warships-shortage/

mayonnaise

The Prime Minister signalled that officials are exploring a potential ‘transitional deal’ which could see the UK retain elements of its current relations with the EU after Brexit, while a new trade agreement is hammered out.

Ms May first hinted at a transitional deal after addressing business groups today, who have raised concerns about the uncertainty brought about by a sudden change in the UK’s relationship with Europe.

She told the audience at the Confederation of British Industry: "People do not want a cliff edge."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-theresa-may-tories-uk-still-in-eu-2019-article-50-a7429741.html
Yup, sounds reasonable to me.

veryintrigued

I sense from some of the posts (and signatures) on this forum that some Remainers feel a little disappointed regarding some of the recent positive announcements regarding Google, Facebook, employment, payrises etc etc etc.

What sad times we live in that people are probably looking forward to dire news post (proper) Brexit just so that they can feel or say 'told you so'.

wotsthat

CLAPTON wrote: »

as I see it, it was the UK resisting high tariffs on chinese steel while the EU wanted high tariffs : exactly what I am arguing that after brexit the UK will probably reduce tariff compared to the EU.
I'm confused about what you believe is the best policy on tariffs.

after brexit I believe that the UK will reduce the tariffs on African produce, to the mutual benefit of both parties:
I've no idea why you believe otherwise.

What you should've noted is that when there's a rare example of the government being in favour of tariff reduction they get slapped down.

If the UK doesn't continue to share sovereignty on setting tariffs post Brexit I expect little beneficial change for African produce producers.

No one cares enough to make this a priority. Have you any evidence that the UK has spent 40 years railing against EU tariffs? I've not heard about it.

Tariffs are used to 'protect' local business and to favour preferred suppliers. Brexit isn't going to lead to the consumer being part of the equation.

wotsthat

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Not politically minded. Not my sphere of interest. I can only relate it to my experiences during my lifetime. Sitting through 5/6 hour board meetings one appreciates heavy weight directors slugging it out with no gloves on. Only to see them being very social to each other afterwards.

As a consequence I'd call such debate being grown up. Whatever the final outcome. People then accept the result and get on with life. More often or not there's always a degree of compromise anyway. Isn't as black and white as muck stirrers like to believe. Often there's no news to speak of.

That's how businesses work but I struggle with the analogy. Quite unusual for them to attempt self destruction on a regular basis over a singular issue.

I doubt Cameron & Gove will be the last senior Tories to have their careers run aground on Europe's rocky shores.

vivatifosi

veryintrigued wrote: »

I sense from some of the posts (and signatures) on this forum that some Remainers feel a little disappointed regarding some of the recent positive announcements regarding Google, Facebook, employment, payrises etc etc etc.

What sad times we live in that people are probably looking forward to dire news post (proper) Brexit just so that they can feel or say 'told you so'.

I voted remain. I am not looking to say told you so, rather I'm breathing a sigh of relief at some of the news. However we haven't left yet, and Google and Facebook's plans would by their nature have predated the referendum.

If it's all plain sailing though, why did I only get $1.20-1.25 on my recent trip to the US instead of $1.60? And why is the PM talking of avoiding cliffs?

Still, I look forward to all that lovely extra money being spent on the nhs when we leave.

ruggedtoast

Conrad wrote: »

More post-truth politics I see.


Our military projects by far the most power, experience, kit and competence locally. 2 massive aircraft carriers in the pipe, and yes we will have planes for them.

It projects about the same amount as France, if you consider that France's much larger standing army is mostly not very combat ready, and that the perennially broken down General De Gaulle isn't much better than the no aircraft carriers we have in service.

Of the two aircraft carriers you are excited about, only one will ever see service and we'll have to buy American planes for the other. Although thanks to Brexit thats looking like a couple of cessnas loaded with hand grenades now.

Neither country's military, or even both together, will be keeping Putin awake at night. This continues to be the first period in history where none of the European powers, including Britain, would be capable of dealing with an invasion from Russia, were it to ever come.

CLAPTON

wotsthat wrote: »

What you should've noted is that when there's a rare example of the government being in favour of tariff reduction they get slapped down.

I haven't noticed this

If the UK doesn't continue to share sovereignty on setting tariffs post Brexit I expect little beneficial change for African produce producers.

No one cares enough to make this a priority. Have you any evidence that the UK has spent 40 years railing against EU tariffs? I've not heard about it.

Tariffs are used to 'protect' local business and to favour preferred suppliers. Brexit isn't going to lead to the consumer being part of the equation.

You seem to take a consist line that the UK is incapable of beneficial change: of course you may be correct, but I believe that self interest may well prove otherwise.
If all else fails, at least the people of the UK can debate possible changes that parliament can enable rather than impossible ones that the EU will not allow.