If we vote for Brexit what happens

mwpt

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Again, can we not wait for hard data; actual figures.

It isn't clear to me what you want from the people of this forum. Do you want us to discuss the hints of news about the direction of the UK economy or not? Because certain posters post every hint of good news that appears, and that's cool. For balance, I think it's cool if you allow other posters to discuss potential bad news.

Let us know.

kabayiri

Herzlos wrote: »

Do you understand the difference between hampering and ceasing trade?

No matter what Tariffs or restrictions are applied, Audi will sell cars here, so Audi will advertise. Audi will not go under.

They may cost much more, but to people paying monthly it won't be noticeable.

If you look at somewhere like Canada, you see a lot more Korean cars.

Over time, if we were outside of a trading zone like the EU, we would probably see a similar change IMO.

It's not that much of a compromise, given the improved quality they now offer.

This doesn't even take into account the new potential entrants who might build their cars in China, like Google.

mwpt

Tromking wrote: »

I think I heard on the radio this morning that the vast majority of the new jobs created were filled by EU citizens anxious to move to the UK before Brexit is enacted.
Clearly Remainiac tales of wanton racism and xenophobia have'nt put people off from moving here while the window is still open.
Is there any Remainiac narrative that hasn't been trashed now?

It is unclear what you mean here. EU immigrants are taking our jobs or not?

tracey3596

Tromking wrote: »

I think I heard on the radio this morning that the vast majority of the new jobs created were filled by EU citizens anxious to move to the UK before Brexit is enacted.
Clearly Remainiac tales of wanton racism and xenophobia have'nt put people off from moving here while the window is still open.
Is there any Remainiac narrative that hasn't been trashed now?

I do try to keep a balanced POV myself.
But i have to say, the amount of utter poop and the lengths some in the remain camp will go to to FIND the poop is incredible.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

mwpt wrote: »

It isn't clear to me what you want from the people of this forum. Do you want us to discuss the hints of news about the direction of the UK economy or not? Because certain posters post every hint of good news that appears, and that's cool. For balance, I think it's cool if you allow other posters to discuss potential bad news.

Let us know.

Discussion of news is fine ......... but counting "my granny's next-door neighbour's hairdresser says" - type of reporting and stating it as fact is stretching the terminology of news a bit, don't you think?
Will you ignore just how often these negative stories are being proven to be totally false?
Or do you not think it "cool" that I question such posts?

ruggedtoast

Ballard wrote: »

A shot in the dark here but perhaps Audi want to sell cars. Once we leave the EU (We have yet to leave, by the way) my guess is that they will still want to sell cars. It mightn't be as easy or profitable but they won't want to abandon the UK once we leave.

The import duty for premium cars to India is 125%.

Audi still sell BMWs to India. They don't want to be subject to 125% import duty, Indian consumers don't want to pay 125% import duty, dealers don't want to charge their customers 125% import duty. But thats what happens and they all buy and sell.

Listen up Brexiteers, I am going to try and explain why this happens:

India are OUTSIDE the EU.

Germany and the other countries are INSIDE the EU.

So when Germany sells cars to other EU countries they don't pay duty in cars that weren't manufactured there.

Brexiteers have decides that they want the UK to be OUTSIDE the EU, therefore if you want to buy things that are manufactured INSIDE the EU, we will have to pay whatever import or export duty is fudged out from the hot mess that Theresa May and that blonde hair dyed buffoon can get.

This could be anything between nothing and a squillion per cent, and could change every year.

I wonder if this had been spelled out before the election if the result woulnd't have been different.

Brexiteers are like people who leave a golf club, cancel their direct debits but still expect to use all the facilities because they once bought a round in the bar.

wotsthat

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Yet you take delight in a reported piece of research based upon estimates?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-causes-british-companies-scrap-investment-plans-worth-655bn-a7416091.html

From a survey of 1,015 "business leaders" according to your own quote above.

Again, can we not wait for hard data; actual figures.
If the data does eventually show those estimates (*estimate = another word for guess, btw) to be correct THEN you may gloat.
Not before though, eh?
It smacks of desperation.


* estimate: roughly calculate or judge the value, number, quantity, or extent of.

I thought the two initial consequences of voting Brexit would be a fall in sterling and a reduction in investment due to increased uncertainty so it was nice to have my bias confirmed but delight would be over-egging it.

I understand the limitations of the research and so didn't even bother to find the source data. I think ONS data will be available in the first couple of weeks of December although it will still be survey based and involve an estimate to extrapolate to the economy as a whole.

I'm not that focused on the estimated headline figure because it's going to be wrong. The takeaway is that a third of the business leaders said they'd reduced or abandoned investment and a goodly number cited Brexit as the reason.

kabayiri

Has anyone mentioned geopolitics yet?

Could we throw in continuing military support as a sweetener for a good trade deal?

Conrad

Ballard wrote: »

A shot in the dark here but perhaps Audi want to sell cars. Once we leave the EU (We have yet to leave, by the way) my guess is that they will still want to sell cars. It mightn't be as easy or profitable but they won't want to abandon the UK once we leave.

Quite, but that's not the argument being peddaled by many a remainer and some European politicians that say the UK market is not important, that the 27 will 'easily' sell more elsewhere to make up the loss of UK business when the EU introduces trade hampering tariffs and barriers


One wonders why so many European firms are investing heavily in UK marketing when the remaoners are so confident they will look to other markets - why not focus their marketing in these other places given their apparent acceptance the UK market will be thwarted with barriers and tariffs?


I'm of course being tongue in cheek, EUROPEAN FIRMS do not expect European leaders to hamper their trade, it's just NEVER going to happen


All will be well

Conrad

prosaver wrote: »

Anyway the other 17 countries will suffer more than us, as he must of forgot, we import more than we export.



:)

And of course a core handful of them with huge exports to the UK will truly suffer if trade hampering is introduced by the EU