If we vote for Brexit what happens

CLAPTON

mwpt wrote: »

I doubt it.

But just for you, here's the Clapton dance.

oh dear
another rational post trump offering

ruggedtoast

CLAPTON wrote: »

the lives of people in the UK will be improved by leaving the protectionism of the EU
by increased wages due to less supply of cheap labour
by the improvement in productivity enforced by less cheap labour
by more abundant housing
by UK control of VAT taxation
by the opportunities to have better evidenced based medical arrangements
by needing to raise less tax on new infrastructure
by improvements in transport and travel generally
...............

Considering it took joining the EU to make a material improvement to the poverty that has dogged Britain since the Great Depression why will leaving improve people's lives? Whose lives; your life presumably so you can dance around under your Christmas Tree filled with Right Wing Baubles.

Wages aren't low because of immigration, they are low because people such as yourself keep voting for Tory governments that won't introduce a living wage.

This is the trouble with you Kippers and your "immigration is the root of all evil" rubbish. You are totally blind to anything else thats going on around you, and as far as I can see most of you live in the shires about an hours drive away from the nearest foreign accent anyway.

CLAPTON

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Considering it took joining the EU to make a material improvement to the poverty that has dogged Britain since the Great Depression why will leaving improve people's lives? Whose lives; your life presumably so you can dance around under your Christmas Tree filled with Right Wing Baubles.

living standards in a great many countries have improved over the last 40-50 years;
some people would have noticed certain changes in technology that have improved peoples lives, even those not in the EU.
The protectionism of the EU has damaged the lives of developing countries that want to export argicutural products but the EU applies tariffs: and of course made agricultural products more expensive for the working people in the UK too

Wages aren't low because of immigration, they are low because people such as yourself keep voting for Tory governments that won't introduce a living wage.

Extra supply of labour has held wages down as all real working people know: maybe you ought to actually meet a few.
The Tories have not been in power for all the last 40-50 years

The UK has one of the highest minimum wage of all the countries in the EU (introduced by the Tories): which of these EU countries do you wish to copy?

This is the trouble with you Kippers and your "immigration is the root of all evil" rubbish. You are totally blind to anything else thats going on around you, and as far as I can see most of you live in the shires about an hours drive away from the nearest foreign accent anyway.

you are as usual wrong

Herzlos

CLAPTON wrote: »

the lives of people in the UK will be improved by leaving the protectionism of the EU

But they won't be.

by increased wages due to less supply of cheap labour

which will be reduced again due to poor economy and less demand.

by the improvement in productivity enforced by less cheap labour

If there was a productivity improvement it'd happen anyway.

by more abundant housing

That no-one can afford, because wages are still low and the weakened economy.

by UK control of VAT taxation

Which is only going to go up, especially as there will be less people paying for it.

by the opportunities to have better evidenced based medical arrangements

What?

by needing to raise less tax on new infrastructure

But we'll still need the infrastucture, and there will be less people to pay for it.

by improvements in transport and travel generally

How?

Again, this just sounds like you thinking kicking out all of those foreigners will suddenly make everything that's left rich. It won't; we'll all be poorer, but there will be less people to share the burden.

Herzlos

CLAPTON wrote: »

The UK has one of the highest minimum wage of all the countries in the EU (introduced by the Tories): which of these EU countries do you wish to copy?

You mean 9th? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_in_Europe_by_minimum_wage
with one of the higher costs of living too.

you are as usual wrong

You as usual refuse to provide any kind of context or backup. Why is he wrong?

CLAPTON

Herzlos wrote: »

Again, this just sounds like you thinking kicking out all of those foreigners will suddenly make everything that's left rich. It won't; we'll all be poorer, but there will be less people to share the burden.

you seem to genuinely believe that a higher population leads to high standard of living of the people

you can easily look at all the countries of the world and see there is a poor corellation between per capital income and total population.

Castle

CLAPTON wrote: »

The UK has one of the highest minimum wage of all the countries in the EU (introduced by the Tories): which of these EU countries do you wish to copy?

I think that you'll find that Labour introduced the minimum wage in 1998.

Herzlos

CLAPTON wrote: »

you seem to genuinely believe that a higher population leads to high standard of living of the people

you can easily look at all the countries of the world and see there is a poor corellation between per capital income and total population.

And you seem to believe that reducing our population (but only by removing foreigners) will improve our standard of living when there's no correlation.

I'm not saying more people is necessarily better. What I'm saying (again), is that destroying our economy to reduce population is completely counter productive - any benefits you see from reduce population will be completely wiped out by the negatives from the reduced economy and reduced population, except in a macro scale, where that house you feel you deserve might become affordable.

Herzlos

mayonnaise wrote: »

There is no plan for Brexit.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37983948

I am stunned. Stunned.

Also, 30,000 civil servants? That's a back of envelope £1.8bn annual wage fee, assuming they are only getting £30k/year. I wonder if that figure factors in all the additional management/admin staff and facilities you'll need to manage that many people.

How much trade are we going to need to generate to just pay for the admin bill?

CLAPTON

Herzlos wrote: »

You as usual refuse to provide any kind of context or backup. Why is he wrong?

toxic tosties makes a specific claim that I live at least an hours drive away from the nearest foreign accent.
Has your worship of the EU really led you to defend something you can't possible know?