If we vote for Brexit what happens

antrobus

wotsthat wrote: »

The government issues position papers in advance of negotiations on a number of subjects. Why not Brexit?

Here's one..

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/474050/The_UK_s_position_on_Phase_IV_of_EU_ETS_.pdf

Let's stop pretending that Brexit needs to be handled completely differently to other government business.

You might think that the Emission Trading System is comparable to the European Union. I don't. I think they are massively different.

mayonnaise

There is no plan for Brexit.

The government has no overall Brexit plan and a negotiating strategy may not be agreed by the cabinet for six months, a leaked memo has suggested.
The memo - obtained by the Times and seen by the BBC - warns Whitehall is working on 500 Brexit-related projects and could need 30,000 extra staff.
However, there is still no common exit strategy "because of divisions within the cabinet", the leaked document adds.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37983948

Moby

The bottom line was that it was a much too complicted an issue to be decided by a binary popular vote. We elect our MPs to decide these matters.........that is why they are there! At least now that the referendum has been held and the decision made to leave the EU...... The manner of our leaving and the settlement needs full parliamentary scrutiny. That will be the only way to build consensus in post Brexit Britain. I for one will never bow to a stitch up devised by Johnston, Davis and Fox. They lack credibility and are self serving politicians, two of them have often been on the fringes of their own party and the third is an untrustworthy populist who cheats on his wife. They now have very little in common with the very people who gave them their unexpected victory. They are politicians who favour capital over labour every time!

wotsthat

antrobus wrote: »

You might think that the Emission Trading System is comparable to the European Union. I don't. I think they are massively different.

Just google's first offering for a government position paper. Are they different enough that the government's position on one is covered by a position paper and the other a state secret?

I know they've said they won't be issuing a running commentary but it seems more likely they have little to commentate on than Brexit being the biggest secret of our age.

Maybe, per The Times, the government don't yet have any semblance of a plan.

mrginge

wotsthat wrote: »

Just google's first offering for a government position paper. Are they different enough that the government's position on one is covered by a position paper and the other a state secret?

I know they've said they won't be issuing a running commentary but it seems more likely they have little to commentate on than Brexit being the biggest secret of our age.

Maybe, per The Times, the government don't yet have any semblance of a plan.

So let's just understand your position.

You complain about the govt being inept for not spelling out their position in a level of detail that satisfies you (regardless of whether it satisfies anyone else).

Then you complain about a report which says the govt has no clearly defined plan - due to the level of complexity and resources required to formulate it.

My conclusion is that you
A. Have never managed or have any understanding of major projects
B. Will complain about everything.

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

The bottom line was that it was a much too complicted an issue to be decided by a binary popular vote. We elect our MPs to decide these matters.........that is why they are there! At least now that the referendum has been held and the decision made to leave the EU...... The manner of our leaving and the settlement needs full parliamentary scrutiny. That will be the only way to build consensus in post Brexit Britain. I for one will never bow to a stitch up devised by Johnston, Davis and Fox. They lack credibility and are self serving politicians, two of them have often been on the fringes of their own party and the third is an untrustworthy populist who cheats on his wife. They now have very little in common with the very people who gave them their unexpected victory. They are politicians who favour capital over labour every time!

just wanted to preserve this self serving nonsense

Conrad

Moby wrote: »

The bottom line was that it was a much too complicted an issue to be decided by a binary popular vote. We elect our MPs to decide these matters.........that is why they are there! At least now that the referendum has been held and the decision made to leave the EU...... The manner of our leaving and the settlement needs full parliamentary scrutiny. That will be the only way to build consensus in post Brexit Britain. I for one will never bow to a stitch up devised by Johnston, Davis and Fox. They lack credibility and are self serving politicians, two of them have often been on the fringes of their own party and the third is an untrustworthy populist who cheats on his wife. They now have very little in common with the very people who gave them their unexpected victory. They are politicians who favour capital over labour every time!

You just don't get it.

We like most other nations, will be soverign, meaning we will be making all our own decisions. We will decide our own farming subsidy and policy with regards collaborative science.

None of this has anything to do with the EU, it's all merely internal process.

We simply offer the EU continuing free access to our markets, access to our fishing waters, and confirm our continued significant military and intelligence enterprise.

We will be making new global alliances such as a deal between N York and London, we are not interested in EU having ANY say over our decisions

We, like Australia, will agree to co-operate on certain matters such as security and environment.

The EU might decide it wants a trade war and to harm its citizens but I doubt it.

Things like immigration are for us to decide and yes of course we will have a quota for Europeans.

mwpt

Conrad wrote: »

You just don't get it.

We like most other nations, will be soverign, meaning we will be making all our own decisions. We will decide our own farming subsidy and policy with regards collaborative science.

None of this has anything to do with the EU, it's all merely internal process.

We simply offer the EU continuing free access to our markets, access to our fishing waters, and confirm our continued significant military and intelligence enterprise.

We will be making new global alliances such as a deal between N York and London, we are not interested in EU having ANY say over our decisions

We, like Australia, will agree to co-operate on certain matters such as security and environment.

The EU might decide it wants a trade war and to harm its citizens but I doubt it.

Things like immigration are for us to decide and yes of course we will have a quota for Europeans.

I do not think there is a desire amongst the EU leaders or the EU people to give the UK a better deal outside the EU than inside.

We will get "a deal" but it won't be a better one.

Some people will be happy with this anyway because all the talk about trade deals and sovereignty was a smoke screen for just wanting fewer foreigners in the country. Others might be a little less happy if they were naive and were genuinely expecting brexit to improve their lives in other non-foreigner related ways.

CLAPTON

mwpt wrote: »

I do not think there is a desire amongst the EU leaders or the EU people to give the UK a better deal outside the EU than inside.

We will get "a deal" but it won't be a better one.

Some people will be happy with this anyway because all the talk about trade deals and sovereignty was a smoke screen for just wanting fewer foreigners in the country. Others might be a little less happy if they were naive and were genuinely expecting brexit to improve their lives in other non-foreigner related ways.

the lives of people in the UK will be improved by leaving the protectionism of the EU
by increased wages due to less supply of cheap labour
by the improvement in productivity enforced by less cheap labour
by more abundant housing
by UK control of VAT taxation
by the opportunities to have better evidenced based medical arrangements
by needing to raise less tax on new infrastructure
by improvements in transport and travel generally
...............

mwpt

CLAPTON wrote: »

the lives of people in the UK will be improved by leaving the protectionism of the EU
by increased wages due to less supply of cheap labour
by the improvement in productivity enforced by less cheap labour
by more abundant housing
by UK control of VAT taxation
by the opportunities to have better evidenced based medical arrangements
by needing to raise less tax on new infrastructure
by improvements in transport and travel generally
...............

I doubt it.

But just for you, here's the Clapton dance.