If we vote for Brexit what happens

Conrad

Herzlos wrote: »

No, I want May to give a 10 second summary of what she's going to try and get.

Plus, she's the one that's up against the impossible schedule, if she wants to get it done within the 2 years she needs to skip the first round of negotiations where she's asking for unicorns and give the EU a decent starting ground such as "We still want single market, and will keep paying in exchange for only taking migrants that have concrete job offers". That gives the EU something to respond to, but if she starts with "We're not going to pay a penny, want full single market access but no migration" is just going to met with "No. Try again."

She has no cards to show off, no cards to hide, no negotiating power and no time to negotiate.

She's given a summary many times, an opening position, I really fail to see she could do any other.


Anyway you're still making the fatal error of framing us as the little poodle and the EU as the master, us as the weak petitioner to be handed down to.
The whole thing is dynamic, we don't even know for example whether the next French leader will be a Europhile.


This is a complete misreading of what Brexit is all about, you'll see

prosaver

what do we buy from these countries, BMW's cheese and wine..swiss watches?
Wont the people say im not buying a BMW's etc, I would.
what the big thing about french stuff.
Im sure if the EU was hard on us there would be a campaign to boycot EU products.

We hold the aces.

Moby

setmefree2 wrote: »

I did vote remain but I was only ever 51 - 49 in favour of Remain.

I believe in free trade. What I don't believe in is unelected trade negotiators doing dodgy trade deals in dark rooms away from the eyes of voters - trading away sovereignty, allowing companies to sue governments (without even asking the people if this is ok), taking away workers rights and attacking public services. Why did did a liberal president Obama and the European Commission allow this on their watch? It was their creation for heavens sake.

Agreed ....more accountability is always a good thing. The EU institutions need reforming no doubt but reform rather than rejection was the safest course as far as I'm concerned.

Conrad

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Meanwhile back in reality - the menu of options is on the table - there will be no 'Europe-a-la-carte'.

We pick an option and ask for permission to take it - then spend the next two years working out the legalities.

From day one I've argued trade will not be hampered, as it would merely harm EU workers, especially in the core trading nations, the last thing the stuttering EU recovery needs.


Even under WTO rules, I see many advantages, whereas you guys see problems and fear.

ruggedtoast

Brexit is absolute chaos and the government clearly haven't the faintest idea what to even say about it. 5 months on and people's patience in both the Remain and Leave camps is wearing extremely thin.

I am beginning to suspect that Theresa May could well be one of the shortest serving British Prime Minister in history.

At 122 days she has just beaten George Canning, who managed 119 days in 1827.

She will probably exceed the Viscount Goderich, who achieved 130 days, also in 1827 (a bad year for Tory PMs).

But will she best Andrew Bonar Law's 211 days in 1922.

I'm not at all sure.

Conrad

Moby wrote: »

Agreed ....more accountability is always a good thing. The EU institutions need reforming no doubt but reform rather than rejection was the safest course as far as I'm concerned.

In 1961, before we even joined, Harold Macmillan said that 'by joining we could reform away its '‘ever closer union’.

Cameron already tried the route you suggest and failed.

prosaver

well at least we would lose a bit of weight...
strange list tho..?..pigs ..water..ice..?
Is this made up?

Conrad

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Brexit is absolute chaos and the government clearly haven't the faintest idea what to even say about it. 5 months on and people's patience in both the Remain and Leave camps is wearing extremely thin.

I am beginning to suspect that Theresa May could well be one of the shortest serving British Prime Minister in history.

At 122 days she has just beaten George Canning, who managed 119 days in 1827.

She will probably exceed the Viscount Goderich, who achieved 130 days, also in 1827 (a bad year for Tory PMs).

But will she best Andrew Bonar Law's 211 days in 1922.

I'm not at all sure.

She will be the most popular PM in modern times. Thinking people know she's carefully planning in the quiet, an age old British characteristic.


You would harm Britain by having us reveal our negotiating position up-front, no wonder the left have been kicked out of most of the west, daft, daft

Moby

Conrad wrote: »

In 1961, before we even joined, Harold Macmillan said that 'by joining we could reform away its '‘ever closer union’.

Cameron already tried the route you suggest and failed.

Our problem was that we opted out of Europe after WW2....we preferred to pursue retaining as much of the Empire as we could. We left the developing politics of Europe to DeGaulle and Adenauer. A huge error..!..we had stood up to Hitler alone and had huge respect. At that point we should have been shaping our future in Europe. Instead we went in on unfavourable terms under Heath years later. :mad:

ruggedtoast

Conrad wrote: »

She will be the most popular PM in modern times. Thinking people know she's carefully planning in the quiet, an age old British characteristic.


You would harm Britain by having us reveal our negotiating position up-front, no wonder the left have been kicked out of most of the west, daft, daft

Our negotiating position of what? That we demand access to the single market because otherwise we won't have access to the single market?