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If we vote for Brexit what happens

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  • Conrad wrote: »
    Tim Farron wants a second referendum and saying he wont agree to triggering Article 50.


    ...

    This guy is an anti democrat.

    Why is one referendum very democratic but two anti-democratic?
  • wotsthat
    wotsthat Posts: 11,325 Forumite
    CLAPTON wrote: »
    even if true, how does that effect our negotiating position?

    Possibly inept negotiators wouldn't enhance our negotiating position?
  • CLAPTON
    CLAPTON Posts: 41,865 Forumite
    10,000 Posts Combo Breaker
    wotsthat wrote: »
    Possibly inept negotiators wouldn't enhance our negotiating position?

    Problems with our sovereign parliament and legal systems are unrelated to our negotiating position for brexit.
  • wotsthat
    wotsthat Posts: 11,325 Forumite
    Conrad wrote: »
    Tim Farron wants a second referendum and saying he wont agree to triggering Article 50.

    Were we to have a second referendum pencilled in this would totally undermine our negotiating position. Then following such a referendum we would then have to go back to Brussels again, and on and on, years of extended wrangling.

    This guy is an anti democrat. The people voted Leave in the face of the entire Establishment and Govt, and thus the vote was in fact overwhelming given that massive opposition against it

    The government could've nipped this in the bud by agreeing to put a motion through parliament. Jeez - it's not like they won't win.

    They're losing control of Brexit. I couldn't have told you who the leader of the lib dems was yesterday yet he's been given a chance to drive the agenda, albeit from the back seat, by Tory procrastination.
  • mayonnaise
    mayonnaise Posts: 3,690 Forumite
    Conrad wrote: »
    Pound sterling becomes best performing major currency in the world after Donald Trump win

    Sterling has climbed against all of major currencies this week and broke the $1.26 barrier against the dollar on Friday




    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/pound-sterling-value-donald-trump-dollar-president-win-currency-exchange-a7411126.html
    Good news. Sterling had reached a level low enough to kick-start our Empire Beer exporting Tiger economy and is now back on the way up. Happy days!
    Don't blame me, I voted Remain.
  • CLAPTON
    CLAPTON Posts: 41,865 Forumite
    10,000 Posts Combo Breaker
    wotsthat wrote: »
    The government could've nipped this in the bud by agreeing to put a motion through parliament. Jeez - it's not like they won't win.

    They're losing control of Brexit. I couldn't have told you who the leader of the lib dems was yesterday yet he's been given a chance to drive the agenda, albeit from the back seat, by Tory procrastination.

    That has nothing to do with our negotiating position with the EU.
  • spadoosh wrote: »
    Leaving the EU is reversible. The EU have to let us in if we match the Copenhagen criteria (their rules say they have to).
    This is simply not true. Satisfying the Copenhagen criteria is not enough to join. States cannot join the EU unless their membership has been ratified by all other members.
    This is why i dont understand the high court ruling. The british electorate who parliament represent have decided to leave the EU. They have given power to the government to invoke article 50.
    The UK makes laws through Acts of parliament. Amending or repealing an Act of parliament requires the consent of parliament.

    Membership of the EU was effected through the European Communities Act 1972. That is an Act of parliament. So it stands to reason that you need the consent of parliament to amend that Act.

    I can't agree that the referendum somehow gave the government authority to amend the European Communities Act 1972. That is for parliament. Obviously you would expect parliament to take the referendum result into account when deciding what to do.
    It sets a precedent of needing parliament approval for any trade deal which is a bit silly.
    Most basic trade deals are arranged through treaties, not through Acts of parliament. Treaties are within the power of the government.

    A more far-reaching trade deal, for example a trade deal that required new regulation, would require an Act of parliament. That would need to be voted on by parliament.
  • wotsthat
    wotsthat Posts: 11,325 Forumite
    CLAPTON wrote: »
    Problems with our sovereign parliament and legal systems are unrelated to our negotiating position for brexit.

    The government's handling of the article 50 process, imo, is indicative of a certain ineptitude. An inept government is likely to have an inept negotiating strategy and employ inept negotiators.

    Maybe we're at cross purposes.
  • Conrad wrote: »
    Pound sterling becomes best performing major currency in the world after Donald Trump win

    Sterling has climbed against all of major currencies this week and broke the $1.26 barrier against the dollar on Friday

    Sterling "broke the $1.26 barrier".

    Gosh, that is depressing. $1.26 is an absolutely pathetic exchange rate.

    If that exchange rate is the new norm, I guess we will just have to accept that the UK is no longer one of the world's wealthiest countries.
  • wotsthat
    wotsthat Posts: 11,325 Forumite
    CLAPTON wrote: »
    That has nothing to do with our negotiating position with the EU.

    ..and that has nothing to do with the price of Marmite in Tesco.
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