If we vote for Brexit what happens

Moby

setmefree2 wrote: »

Makes me laugh how much bile and hate Moby pours on to the white uneducated working classes.....and he calls himself a Leftie. Emily Thornberry hating on white van man, Chakrabarti and Essex Man. It's no wonder the Labour Party have lost the working class vote. Bunch of patronising, elitist snobs.

I thought you had flounced off on me and pressed the ignore button;)
I was just quoting the results of the exit polls i.e the differences between non college and college educated voters.......I did not make that up.......its there in the figures. I call a spade a spade. Nothing to do with me being elitist. The fact that the under 30 k income voted for Hillary makes no difference as to where the main energy for Trumps win came from. Also article today in the Independent showing the main motivation was not economic exclusion but immigration and showing there was a backlash against diversity policies.

antrobus

Moby wrote: »

...The fact that the under 30 k income voted for Hillary makes no difference as to where the main energy for Trumps win came from. ....

The point would be that, whilst they voted for Hilary, fewer of them did so than voted for Obama.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/elections/exit-poll-analysis.html?_r=0

Moby

....But my point above was in your source as well:-
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/elections/exit-poll-analysis.html?_r=0

How Trump Won the Election
According to Exit Polls
By K.K. REBECCA LAI, ALICIA PARLAPIANO, JEREMY WHITE and KAREN YOURISH NOV. 8, 2016 RELATED ARTICLE

Based on exit polls, Mr. Trump did significantly better than his predecessors among whites without college degrees.


Re. Brexit research:-
The relevance for Brexit polling is that there was a strong correlation between educational qualification and how people voted. Even within age cohorts, graduates were more likely to vote to Remain, people with few or no educational qualifications were more likely to vote to Leave. People with a low level of interest in politics were also more likely to vote to Leave. These continuing sampling issues may well have contributed to some of those pollsters who did it wrong in June.

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/


Already answered the Zoe Williams point Conrad!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/ku-klux-klan-parade-north-carolina-donald-trump-celebration-president-elect-white-supremacists-alt-a7410671.html

When a seismic event like this takes place.....you look around and see who is on the same side as you surely?.......and you think now why is that?. It's not rocket science......it's not me being patronising. I don't like Emily Thornbury or agree with her tweet but that is a distraction from facing some ugly truths about what is happening! Mussolini and Hitler knew this game better than anyone. ......they provided a focal point for the protests of the disenfranchised lower middle classes against the liberal elite corruption of the Weimar Republic......and then look what happened! I'm working class, blue collar whatever ......I also believe education is important in life!

antrobus

Moby wrote: »

....But my point above was in your source as well:-

Fair enough. But it's still appears to be the case that one of the reasons that Trump won, is that he did better with the 'under $30k' class than either Romney or McCain.

Conrad

Pound sterling becomes best performing major currency in the world after Donald Trump win

Sterling has climbed against all of major currencies this week and broke the $1.26 barrier against the dollar on Friday




http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/pound-sterling-value-donald-trump-dollar-president-win-currency-exchange-a7411126.html

Conrad

Tim Farron wants a second referendum and saying he wont agree to triggering Article 50.


Were we to have a second referendum pencilled in this would totally undermine our negotiating position. Then following such a referendum we would then have to go back to Brussels again, and on and on, years of extended wrangling.


This guy is an anti democrat. The people voted Leave in the face of the entire Establishment and Govt, and thus the vote was in fact overwhelming given that massive opposition against it

Herzlos

We don't have a negotiating position; we want the impossible, as far as I can tell. We know that, and they know that.

He's also not an anti-democrat - he just wants us to decide on what we want to do, since the first referendum provided no meaningful output.

Conrad

Herzlos wrote: »

We don't have a negotiating position; we want the impossible

Impossible things like a decent trading relationship as enjoyed by other nations with no loss of sovereignty and no club fee, errmm, yeah, off the scale, we'll never manage that, lol


I don't wish to come across too waspish here, but c'mon man, you really are living in the past

wotsthat

Conrad wrote: »

Tim Farron wants a second referendum and saying he wont agree to triggering Article 50.

Were we to have a second referendum pencilled in this would totally undermine our negotiating position. Then following such a referendum we would then have to go back to Brussels again, and on and on, years of extended wrangling.

This guy is an anti democrat. The people voted Leave in the face of the entire Establishment and Govt, and thus the vote was in fact overwhelming given that massive opposition against it

The negotiating position has been undermined by the government looking like a bunch of chumps for not considering the legalities of the A50 process properly.

Conrad

We should just stop paying the daily £28 million and attending club meetings. In short order we will have left but no German or French politician will suddenly stop their people selling us VW's, Mercs, wine and cheese. It really is terribly simple