If we vote for Brexit what happens

mwpt

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Whereas I see Brexit as a strong public vote against the establishment.

Brexit was a vote against a scapegoat. The world changes, as ever, and at the moment it is globalisation and technology causing change and upheaval in people's lives. Combine that with the continued fallout of the GFC (austerity) and some people feel the world as they know it isn't working for them. But they need something tangible to rage against, and the tabloids provided it:

The EU and the wrong sort of immigrants.

That's what the brexit vote was, imo.

I'm not saying people don't have valid concerns about the way the world is changing. I've said before that eventually I believe a UBI will become a necessity and we'll have to figure out a way to make it workable. But 52% of our population having a clue about trade deals and which laws the EU made vs the UK? No, I don't think so.

Herzlos

whatmichaelsays wrote: »

Jayne Adye's response really does the Brexit cause no favours in trying to get that "unity" that she so desperately craves. It just smacks of the "I can't have it so neither can you" crabs-in-the-bucket mentality.

It's worse than that, it's an "I don't want it so you can't have it". It confers absolutely no disadvantage to those that want out of Europe, but it seems to be a position based entirely on spite. These people are never going to be happy with whatever we do regarding Brexit.

TrickyTree83

Moby wrote: »

Both Brexit and the American election were victories energised by a backlash from the disenfranchised uneducated white working classes, especially men. Look at the exit poll results.

Whoa, hold those horses.

Have you seen the statistics for the US election?

If you had then you'd know that affluent voters went for Trump and those earning (I think) under $30,000 pa primarily voted for Hillary.

Herzlos

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/nov/09/uk-trade-deficit-widens-september-exports-fall-pound-drop

I thought the weakening GBP was the answer to all of our problems?

setmefree2

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Not so different to the views of many French or Dutch, though using France as an example Marine may do well as she and the Front National are anti-EU.
NOT because they are right-wing; purely because they are the only major anti-EU party.

Indeed. The Front National was set up in 1993 as an anti EU party after Maastricht - same as UKIP. The Freedom party in Holland was set up in 2006 and is also Eurosceptic.

setmefree2

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

As has happened in the USA too; a revolt against established politics rather than a "lurch to the right" per se, IMHO.

Also parallels can be drawn with immigration. Official figures for illegal Mexicans in the US are 11 million - the working population of the US was reported as 156 million in 2013 - so that's 7% of the working population. But many think that the figure is more likely 30 million - that's nearly 20% of the working population. That's depressing the wages of the working class who haven't seen an increase in median income since 1999.

Obama has ignored this for 8 years, rightly or wrongly.

(PS I'm sure we can argue about the statistics but you get my general point)

setmefree2

cogito wrote: »

Yes, let's do that shall we.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/09/white-voters-victory-donald-trump-exit-polls

It would appear that it was actually the wealthy and well educated who made all the difference. The uneducated white working classes would vote for a bacon slicer if it was the Republican candidate.

Makes me laugh how much bile and hate Moby pours on to the white uneducated working classes.....and he calls himself a Leftie. Emily Thornberry hating on white van man, Chakrabarti and Essex Man. It's no wonder the Labour Party have lost the working class vote. Bunch of patronising, elitist snobs.

setmefree2

Originally Posted by Moby
....Its also deluded to believe there is a left wing case for being a Brexiteer. ....

Tell that to France's Eurosceptic Left Front Party.

Radical Left Front party leader Melenchon, also stumping in April's vote, is even more virulently anti-EU, and has railed against "neo-liberal globalization."

The Left Front (French: Front de gauche, FG or FDG) is a French electoral federation created for the 2009 European elections by the French Communist Party and the Left Party, which was formed when a left-wing minority faction decided to leave the Socialist Party, and the Unitarian Left (Gauche Unitaire)

Also.

It is in the Mediterranean, where the Eurozone project has succeeded the least, that populist left wing parties are challenging the EU more successfully than their rightist compatriots. Syriza and Popular Unity in Greece, the Five Star Movement in Italy and Podemos in Spain are the most obvious examples, with Alexis Tsipras elected as Prime Minister of the Hellenic Republic. A host of Communist and left wing regional groups (as found in Galicia, Basque Country and Catalonia) also identify the EU as a harbinger of Mediterranean misfortune.

mayonnaise

Downing Street scrambles to explain why Donald Trump has spoken with nine world leaders – but not Theresa May

Downing Street is scrambling to explain why the President-elect has made time to speak with a string of presidents and prime ministers – but has yet to make contact with Britain’s.

When she congratulated Mr Trump on his victory, Ms May spoke warmly of the two countries’ “enduring and special relationship based on the values of freedom, democracy and enterprise”.

But it has now emerged that Mr Trump has - in just 24 hours - spoken with the leaders of Egypt, Ireland, Mexico, Israel, Turkey, India, Japan, Australia and South Korea.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/president-donald-trump-theresa-may-special-relationship-world-leaders-call-downing-street-a7409301.html

Back of the queue in the 'people to call' list already. :rotfl:

Masomnia

mayonnaise wrote: »

Downing Street scrambles to explain why Donald Trump has spoken with nine world leaders – but not Theresa May


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/president-donald-trump-theresa-may-special-relationship-world-leaders-call-downing-street-a7409301.html

Back of the queue in the 'people to call' list already. :rotfl:

They all have male leaders?