If we vote for Brexit what happens

movilogo

With Trump being anti-EU and Putin being first to congratulate him, EU will now be kicked from both USA & Russia. Obama was pro-EU but Trump is clearly a Brexit++ and Farage friend. So, UK has better chance of being closer to USA outside of EU.

mayonnaise

Rinoa wrote: »

The EU has decided to hold another meeting of the '27' without inviting the UK.

Should we continue to pay our membership fees when we aren't allowed to the meetings?

http://www.politico.eu/article/eu-leaders-plan-december-meeting-without-uk/

As we're currently still benefiting from tariff free access to the single market, why shouldn't we paying membership fees?
This should be a concept not too hard to grasp, even for a brexiteer.

antrobus

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Considering we get most of it back I doubt they care.

In 2015 the UK government paid £13 billion to the EU budget, and EU spending on the UK was £4.5 billion. So the UK’s ‘net contribution’ was estimated at about £8.5 billion.

https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-55-million/

So no, we do not get "most of it back". EU membership costs the UK about £8.5 bn. Maybe we get lots of wonderful things in return, maybe we don't. People argue about that sort of thing.

Conrad

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Considering we get most of it back I doubt they care.

How much do we not get back, per day...


Many EU nations are net recipients, ergo, someone else is a net contributor.

wotsthat

Tromking wrote: »

I`m hoping that I`m not coming across as disingenuous.
So much of the anti-Brexit rhetoric is based around alleged racism, xenophobia and TBH imagined far right politics abroad in the UK.
Its important to contrast that with the massive and growing popular support for the real far right parties on mainland Europe.
You don't deny the burgeoning support for fascism on mainland Europe do you?

I'm noting the rise of the right across the piste. Let's say it's worse on mainland Europe as you suggest - I find that to be of very little comfort.

Conrad

wotsthat wrote: »

Even Conrad's softened. He's gone from us getting a sweet deal/ not needing one to now suggesting we'll have to accept a nominal slap on the wrist for leaving.

Look back at my pre vote posts, I always said we would likely end up with some sort of EU worker quota.


Point is, Brussels can dress this up as a punishment and we will play along, teee hee

Conrad

mayonnaise wrote: »

and young people looking to flee an increasingly insular UK


l

The EU itself is encouraging Ukraine and Turkey to build barriers, and offering EU tax revenue to help pay for them.


There are now walls and fences in place or going up between;


Hungary and Serbia
Hungary and Croatia
Greece and Macedonia


Greece and Turkey
Slovenia and Croatia
Spain and Morocco in Ceuta and Melilla


Austria and Germany
Hungary and Slovakia.


Is it 'insular' to be good co-operative European neighbours and turning our face more globally?

wotsthat

Conrad wrote: »

Look back at my pre vote posts, I always said we would likely end up with some sort of EU worker quota.

I don't need to look back; I'm fully aware you have all the bases covered.

kabayiri

mayonnaise wrote: »

Yes, this one for example.
:rotfl:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson/12039931/Boris-Johnson-The-only-reason-I-wouldnt-visit-some-parts-of-New-York-is-the-real-risk-of-meeting-Donald-Trump.html

Trump is the kind of person who will have rubbed countless numbers of people up the wrong way in his time.

I'd be more inclined to see how willing he is to put previous issues behind him.

He has an ideal opportunity.

He can keep Hilary out of jail, and instead send her a nice book on good email writing, like this one
https://www.amazon.com/Mail-Write-Well-Guide/dp/096374559X

gfplux

Tromking wrote: »

You`re right to flag up the the rise of fascism on mainland Europe, be it Hungary, France, Germany and the rest, its reminds us that in our quiet British way we've opted for a fundamental change in direction without the need to resort to far right politics.

Like dominoes.
First Britain
Then USA.
NEXT FRANCE