If we vote for Brexit what happens

Rinoa

mayonnaise wrote: »

Holland is not close to calling a referendum.
There is a petition going to have it debated in parliament.
You can sign it here if you want to : https://ttip-referendum.nl/
That's all.
Sorry, no rebellion.

Yeah, just 40 more national and regional parliaments required to ratify CETA. Should sail through. :rotfl:

Meanwhile Junker's right hand man says "I really believe that the European project can fail" :T

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/730002/Frans-Timmersman-EU-project-failure-Brexit-defeat

mayonnaise

Rinoa wrote: »

Yeah, just 40 more national and regional parliaments required to ratify CETA. Should sail through. :rotfl:

Meanwhile Junker's right hand man says "I really believe that the European project can fail" :T

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/730002/Frans-Timmersman-EU-project-failure-Brexit-defeat

Love it how the Express turned 'can fail' into

'EU WILL NOT SURVIVE’

:rotfl:

Herzlos

CLAPTON wrote: »

in many trades people lose their livelihood : is this what you envisage

Relevance?

So how you you think that McDonnell (MP & now shadow chancellor) saying that he would like to have killed Thatcher and then adding 'just joking' would be considered?

It'd be taken in context, as it should, and if he's felt to have violated anything, acted on.

Would it have been alright if the same had been said about the judges in the cases of Birminghm 6 or Tottenham 3 or were they only doing their job

Were the judges named, mugshotted, and plastered over the tabloid press with the caption "Enemies of the people"?
Was that done in a wave of right-wing tension, where at least one politician had already been murdered?

I assume you're trying to trip me up to make my look fascist, or something, but you're all over the place here, and doing your best to misinterpret what I say (which, I have to admit, you're pretty good at - have you thought about politics?)

CLAPTON

Herzlos wrote: »

Relevance?

the relevence was that you posted

I'd hope it could be self regulating like any other trade body (CSA, SRA, etc). Failing that, some goverment/legal guidelines would be fine, just like are enacted on many trades.

so I've pointed out that 'self regulating# bodies can destroy a person livelihood

It'd be taken in context, as it should, and if he's felt to have violated anything, acted on.

given here we are discussing John McDonnell MP, who would decide whether he should be thrown out of parliament?

Were the judges named, mugshotted, and plastered over the tabloid press with the caption "Enemies of the people"?
Was that done in a wave of right-wing tension, where at least one politician had already been murdered?

no they were not; they were heros because most people wrongly thought the people concerned were murdering criminals wereas it seems they were not : it was done in a wave of revulsion for the IRA & the killing of Blacklock
however the judges failed them.

I assume you're trying to trip me up to make my look fascist, or something, but you're all over the place here, and doing your best to misinterpret what I say (which, I have to admit, you're pretty good at - have you thought about politics?)

I believe everything you have said and I often dislike the lies and rubbish the press, MPs, bloggs etc say : however I see no way of regulating this in a way that is compatible with freedom of speech that wouldn't find favour with Putin and all the dictators the world over.

and no, I haven't thought about politics as I believe I am too honest.

Thrugelmir

CKhalvashi wrote: »

SPOT the DIFFERENCE

1979

51.6% of Scottish voters support Scottish devolution in a referendum, but are told by the Tory government this is 'insufficient', 'inconclusive' and not binding. Result: no change.

2016

51.9% of British voters support Leaving the EU in a referendum. The Tory government says this is 'decisive', 'the will of the people' and must be respected. Not even Parliament should be allowed a say.

Can someone please explain why things are so different today than back then?

40% of the electorate had to vote in favour in 1979. Only 32.9% actually did.

Different times. Different rules.

Move on.

PS was a Labour Government not Tory. As was a Blair general election manifesto commitment.

Masomnia

Conrad wrote: »

Yes, the message is softening, and my bet is we will appear to have caved in by accepting an immigration quota, and that's the extent of our punishment, lol.


Note his use of 'free movement of 'workers' - instead of 'labour'. Sounds like people must have a job to come to.


Trade will not be hampered

It is interesting that the language has softened. I think that would be a compromise, that a lot of people will find agreeable; free movement of workers, rather than having full EU citizenship, and then maintain single market membership in some form. I'd accept that, but I think a better way would be too do a trade deal separate from membership on the basis that membership may (will?) prevent us from doing deals with others.

You're right though, trade will not be hampered and it's good to see both Juncker and May on the same page on that. Now it's just for the more vocal remainers on here to stop going on about how the UK will be punished and has nothing to offer!

ruggedtoast

If Europe sneezes then England catches pnuemonia.

Suez apparently didn't give Little Englanders the message. The EU is about to deliver the second part of the lesson.

Rinoa

ruggedtoast wrote: »

If Europe sneezes then England catches pnuemonia.

Suez apparently didn't give Little Englanders the message. The EU is about to deliver the second part of the lesson.

We'll still be around after the EU is no more. Which will be sooner rather than later.

CLAPTON

ruggedtoast wrote: »

If Europe sneezes then England catches pnuemonia.

Suez apparently didn't give Little Englanders the message. The EU is about to deliver the second part of the lesson.

this is the EU that toxic toastie wants to build his future with

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/german-town-builds-13ft-wall-to-separate-refugees-from-residents/ar-AAk1Udz?li=BBoPOOl&ocid=UE12DHP

German town builds 13ft wall to separate refugees from residents

Rinoa

The EU has decided to hold another meeting of the '27' without inviting the UK.

Should we continue to pay our membership fees when we aren't allowed to the meetings?

http://www.politico.eu/article/eu-leaders-plan-december-meeting-without-uk/