If we vote for Brexit what happens

gfplux

setmefree2 wrote: »

http://www.metro.us/news/central-london-house-prices-fall-again-in-october-after-brexit-knight-frank/wrlpkg---pDQwVywBuPe4QwpUQ8dMPQ/

That's an interesting puzzle. Property for an overseas investor using currency other than pounds can buy London property at +/- 20% less since Brexit vote, BUT prices are falling in pounds!!!
Could that mean that Londons "safe haven" reputation has or is being eroded?

gfplux

setmefree2 wrote: »

https://www.breakingnews.ie/business/study-suggests-hard-brexit-would-hit-ireland-more-than-the-uk-762866.html

I am not sure Brexiteers would care, except that with more unemployment in Ireland Irish workers will want to come to...?

sabretoothtigger

Its too short term to call it. The assumption in play could be that London will become more of a self contained market, if free travel between europe and UK were restricted then you are reducing the utility and value of that property for owners to base themselves in London

Doesnt mean that happens, I really dont think they should mess with people's ability to travel or even live here. So long as you are paying your bills then its not for government to interfere as you observing all laws of the land.
Of course some think you have to born somewhere to live there, that isnt generally beneficially to an economy and to growth.
I think you just have to pay taxes and how is that any negative if people do live in London or anywhere. I reckon this will be the conclusion as UK has alot of debt and taxes have to be paid by somebody Cutting off growth is a really bad idea, not even an option imo

gfplux

Herzlos wrote: »

I think you're vastly overestimating how much the German and French car industries rely on our trade.

We buy about 45k cars from German manufactures a month, whilst the rest of Europe buys about nearly 200k cars from German manufacturers a month.

Assuming that after Brexit, we buy exactly 0 German cars, we've only knocked 20% off their output. A high number they don't want, but they'll get by. Of course, since VW's are regarded as high quality and BMW/Audi are prestige cars, it's unlikely sales would drop anywhere near that, unless the tariffs were huge. So At absolute worst, I reckon the German car industry are likely to take a hit of at month 5% of their output, assuming that our sales drop by 25%, or about 12,500 cars a month.

Sure, we have some fishing ground and the rights to sell it on, but regarding the bad blood - as far as I can tell (a) it's all been caused by us and (b) we haven't been a main military power for decades. We've got a skeleton air force, a barely functioning navy, and an army that's been cut to the bone. Though to be fair, we rank 2nd on this scale : http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing-europe.asp Again, we're not that big in comparison with Europe as a whole.

Let us not underestimate the bad blood.

sabretoothtigger

Its not profitable to have grudges. The world doesnt have booming growth, most likely is trade continues freely and this is a demand of workers not wanting to step backwards for politics sake

Conrad

Herzlos wrote: »

I think you're vastly overestimating how much the German and French car industries rely on our trade.

We buy about 45k cars from German manufactures a month, whilst the rest of Europe buys about nearly 200k cars from German manufacturers a month.

Assuming that after Brexit, we buy exactly 0 German cars, we've only knocked 20% off their output. A high number they don't want, but they'll get by. Of course, since VW's are regarded as high quality and BMW/Audi are prestige cars, it's unlikely sales would drop anywhere near that, unless the tariffs were huge. So At absolute worst, I reckon the German car industry are likely to take a hit of at month 5% of their output, assuming that our sales drop by 25%, or about 12,500 cars a month.

Sure, we have some fishing ground and the rights to sell it on, but regarding the bad blood - as far as I can tell (a) it's all been caused by us and (b) we haven't been a main military power for decades. We've got a skeleton air force, a barely functioning navy, and an army that's been cut to the bone. Though to be fair, we rank 2nd on this scale : http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing-europe.asp Again, we're not that big in comparison with Europe as a whole.

We are the most powerful most experienced local military, to suggest otherwise is ridiculous.

I will remember you saying French and German workers ( not just car workers, I notice you keep mentioning only them) will gladly embrace having thier incomes and jobs cut just so long as some abstract notion of the EU project is kept on track, lol.

Follow the money, no one is going to go for hampering thier trade, but even if we have no trade deal at all, like Japan, USA and others, we will be fine, people adapt, the Govt will assist etc.

Herzlos

CLAPTON wrote: »

what I am saying is that Joe Cox was killed by an deranged nutcase
and it has nothing of relevance to say out the brexit debate : and you debase your arguments by claiming it is.

And with deranged nutcases like that, do we really want to target individuals as "enemies of the state"? What is that going to do for other nutcases?

Herzlos

Conrad wrote: »

I will remember you saying French and German workers ( not just car workers, I notice you keep mentioning only them) will gladly embrace having thier incomes and jobs cut just so long as some abstract notion of the EU project is kept on track, lol.

You can, but it's not what I said. I said the UK will at worst cost the German car industry about 5-10% of it's trade; we're not going to cause any mass job losses that we haven't already done with the devaluation.

Follow the money, no one is going to go for hampering thier trade, but even if we have no trade deal at all, like Japan, USA and others, we will be fine, people adapt, the Govt will assist etc.

Indeed we should follow the money; money that wants it's trade to Europe to be maintained.

CKhalvashi

Herzlos wrote: »

You can, but it's not what I said. I said the UK will at worst cost the German car industry about 5-10% of it's trade; we're not going to cause any mass job losses that we haven't already done with the devaluation.



Indeed we should follow the money; money that wants it's trade to Europe to be maintained.

Following the money will move many British businesses to the EU. Andrea Leadsom (who can I please remind Conrad was a Leave campaigner) has admitted as much.

There was a post circulating on social media (that I won't post here as it's not 'family friendly', and out of those I'd love the 'Brexiteers fantasy divorce', but it's not going to happen, I guarantee that now.

CKhalvashi

CLAPTON wrote: »

do you think alleged corruption should not be reported or only if it appears pro brexit?

Wrong. At least one of those that brought the case voted Leave, and wants Parliament involved in the process.

indeed corrupt of the establishment, police, NHS also brings it into disrepute so you would suppress all such revelation : think mid staffs.
you sound something out of Russia or some middle eastern dictatorship

Where I'm from has absolutely no bearing on this.

I believe in a mix of freedom of the press, and regulation of the press. Being a journalist doesn't give you the right to call someone corrupt because you don't agree with their views.

If there is genuinely corruption happening, then of course it must be reported in the public interest. It is not in the public interest to treat three individuals that were asked to clarify a point of law, and who did so according to their legal experience as if they're criminals.

your 'balance ' criteria are easy : pro brexit then ban it; pro 'remain' support it

See points 1 and 2.

you appear to be an ignorant person with no worthwhile knowledge

Your opinion. Likewise, I'd prefer if you kept it to yourself.

In addition, I note that leave.eu and Vote Leave are under CPS investigation for the lies that were told during the campaign. I campaigned to Remain, and have never been accused of lying, where in the Leave situation, the allegations seem to be widespread.

I'm also unaware of any Leave campaigners being threatened, where this was certainly the case for Remain.

Can you clarify your thoughts on this, and your thoughts of keeping those that disagree with you quiet by use of intimidation? Please note, I am not accusing anyone of being involved in this, the last was a general question.