If we vote for Brexit what happens

Tammykitty

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-ruling-legal-challenge-article-50-northern-ireland-a7400611.html


So, 2 high courts came to 2 different decisions on the same matter - could be interesting to see what the supreme court decides


This is what the judges in NI said


"The actual notification does not, in itself, alter the law of the UK. Rather, it is the beginning of a process which ultimately will probably lead to changes in UK law. On the day after the notice has been given, the law will in fact be the same as it was on the day before it was given. The rights of individual citizens will not have changed – though it is, of course, true that in due course the body of EU law as it applies in the UK will, very likely, become the subject of change. But at the point when this occurs the process necessarily will be one controlled by parliamentary legislation, as this is the mechanism for changing law in the UK"


Here is the full judgement
http://www.courtsni.gov.uk/en-GB/Judicial%20Decisions/SummaryJudgments/Documents/Court%20dismisses%20Brexit%20challenge/j_j_Summary%20of%20judgment%20-%20Brexit%20JRs%2028%20Oct%2016.htm

kabayiri

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Heaven forfend that we should draw a parallel between a rise in right wing hate and a rise in right wing hate crime.

It's all part of a rancid Brexit stew with bitter BNP dumplings floating in a sour UKIP sauce.

By and large Brexiteers are the bitterest, angriest, most self entitled people I have had the misfortune to meet. Maybe if they stopped blaming their problems on Europe / foreigners / Labour politicians, and took some responsibility for their lives then they might make some headway into solving their problems.

You're pretty good at stirring up division yourself Toastie.

You hate BTL'ers. You think pensioners have stolen the future from the youth of today. You think the Scots should separate from the wretched Westminster. You hate people who made the opposite choice to you in the EU referendum. You hate Tories.

Have I missed anyone out? What about Northerners? Do you hate them too?

Out,_Vile_Jelly

I know many posters view the world in binary, simplistic terms, but there were plenty of left wing arguments against EU membership and it is not a purely right vs left issue. Both ruggedtoast and Clapton are like some sort of early experiment in Artificial Intelligence; beeping stock phrases repetitively after they've been fed code Remain or code Leave. In the real world people are more nuanced.

I would demonstrate if it became clear that we definitely won't Leave, but I think this (notional) protest is premature and unhelpful.

prosaver

Conrad wrote: »

Just planning what to put on my banner for the big march;


'WHITE LIBERALS LIKE HURTING AFRICAN FARMERS'
'REMOANERS VOTED OUT OF FEAR AND COWARDICE'
'£28 MILLION PER DAY FOR PHOEBE’S ERASMUS'

'REMAONERS SAY BRITAIN IS WEAK'
'POSH AND PRIVELEDGED TERRIFIED OF CHANGE'
'RICH AND ARROGANT, THE EU WORKS FOR U'
'REMOANERS LOVE HURTING UK WORKERS'

'WAS BRITAIN AWFUL BEFORE BLAIR OPENED THE FLOODGATES'?
'I WASN'T FOOLED BY PROJECT FEAR'
'THE ESTABLISHMENT VS THE PEOPLES REVOLUTION'


'MR GLOOMY HATES BRITAIN'



A work in progress...

Heres one for you ..

Belfast judges say
T50.
Without
Parliment. .

Ref:In Belfast, however, a different view was taken. The Belfast court agreed that changes in the law and to people’s rights needs to be enacted by parliament, but it said that the decision to notify the EU of the intention to leave under Article 50 does not itself generate these legal effects. Instead, the decision to trigger Article 50 is just a first procedural step which can be made by the government.

While the negotiations that will follow the Article 50 being launched will lead to changes down the line – depending on the agreement reached between the UK and the EU – nothing in law changes until then. And, when those changes do come, the process must be controlled by parliament.
:beer:

kabayiri

Out,_Vile_Jelly wrote: »

I know many posters view the world in binary, simplistic terms, but there were plenty of left wing arguments against EU membership and it is not a purely right vs left issue. Both ruggedtoast and Clapton are like some sort of early experiment in Artificial Intelligence; beeping stock phrases repetitively after they've been fed code Remain or code Leave. In the real world people are more nuanced.

I would demonstrate if it became clear that we definitely won't Leave, but I think this (notional) protest is premature and unhelpful.

Some households (eg mine) voted complete 50-50 on the referendum, as did my city pretty much.

It was a complex value judgement wrapped up in a simple question. It's unsurprising people read it in different ways.

But...the voting patterns did point to differences in outlook. It was unsurprising there would be much speculation perhaps, because I don't think the government understood the public mood in parts of the North. George Osborne pretty much conceded this was the case.

TrickyTree83

kabayiri wrote: »

You're pretty good at stirring up division yourself Toastie.

You hate BTL'ers. You think pensioners have stolen the future from the youth of today. You think the Scots should separate from the wretched Westminster. You hate people who made the opposite choice to you in the EU referendum. You hate Tories.

Have I missed anyone out? What about Northerners? Do you hate them too?

Don't forget the little old ladies who bake cakes and sell them for charity, hates them too.

Conrad

Out,_Vile_Jelly wrote: »

I would demonstrate if it became clear that we definitely won't Leave, but I think this (notional) protest is premature and unhelpful.

It's one attempt to rebalance the public debate. Day in day out the remaoners are still running the referendum arguments whereas prominent leavers are pretty much getting on with life and the business of Brexit and tend to be responding to the remain agenda

StevieJ

prosaver wrote: »

While the negotiations that will follow the Article 50 being launched will lead to changes down the line – depending on the agreement reached between the UK and the EU – nothing in law changes until then. And, when those changes do come, the process must be controlled by parliament.
:beer:

If Article 50 is not retractable, this would leave Parliament with a Fait Accompli, neutering their powers.

Mortgagefreeman

CKhalvashi wrote: »

http://www.itv.com/news/2016-11-06/pm-insists-i-value-the-freedom-of-our-press/

Theresa May is sanctioning the faith in our legal system to be undermined by the press.

This woman is dangerous and needs to be removed from office ASAP, preferably via an election. I wonder if she's going to have the same attitude when she is forced to back down by the Supreme Court or (preferably) the ECJ.

She's a Politician, what do you expect?

I'm not surprised your location is a 'Parallel universe' :rotfl:

ruggedtoast

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Don't forget the little old ladies who bake cakes and sell them for charity, hates them too.

Someone bakes a battenburg, spends the day in a village hall surrounded by homemade hedgehog hairbrushes and macrame scarves, handing out weak orange cordial and tepid tea, then they donate the 14p profit they made to charity and think they've saved the world.

Somewhat cancelled out considering they then go and block every housing development within four hundred miles of the village green and queue up before the polling booth opens to vote for right wing governments.

So no, I don't especially appreciate the hypocrisy and none of those marge infested cakes should be allowed to be sold to anyone without being made in a properly accredited kitchen.

In fact, they should all be taken outside and driven over by a van.

Edit: the cakes, not the pensioners