If we vote for Brexit what happens

TrickyTree83

MobileSaver wrote: »

Ha ha, you are the one who wants to ignore (or at least presumes to know) the wishes of 13 million people in the UK but I'm the one trying to fit a narrative! :rotfl:

I know it's hard but you simply need to accept that the majority of the country do not agree with you and did not vote to leave the EU.

Er, no.

I'm merely explaining the ludicrously obvious workings of a referendum to you.

You're missing the point, so much so I expect some people are laughing at their screens.

Yamumuk

"the majority of MP are pro EU and have been for many, many years

what is the purpose of a referendum if parliament over turns the result (even though it clearly has the power to do so)."

What is the point of a referendum that was based on a campaign of manipulation and lies. A referendum where facts from leave side were fabricated. And you cannot say that remain was lying given exactly what was said is starting to happen even before we have triggered A50. The result was actually quite narrow, there is a huge mass of people who do not agree with it.

Conrad

beecher2 wrote: »

May can say what sort of Brexit she wants but it depends on the negotiations if she gets it. EU negotiators might say that if she isn't willing to accept free movement of people then she gets none of the things she wants.

So the Germans and French will impose trade barriers, harm thier trade and make the EU even more unstable, not to mention very uncertain for business. This is the crux of the misunderstanding by Remoaners that think we are a weak petitioner.

beecher2

Conrad wrote: »

So the Germans and French will impose trade barriers, harm thier trade and make the EU even more unstable, not to mention very uncertain for business. This is the crux of the misunderstanding by Remoaners that think we are a weak petitioner.

I think youunderestimate the importance of the Eu project. The Eu would undoubtedly prefer the UK to stay in but are not going to offer a pick and mix. I don't know how negotiations will go but May certainly can't spell out what deal she will get, only what deal she wants

Masomnia

beecher2 wrote: »

I think youunderestimate the importance of the Eu project. The Eu would undoubtedly prefer the UK to stay in but are not going to offer a pick and mix. I don't know how negotiations will go but May certainly can't spell out what deal she will get, only what deal she wants

I broadly agree, so think it will be hard brexit + trade deal on areas where we can agree that barriers will be mutually destructive. Which is all of them, but I think the EU will concede on some areas but not all.

mayonnaise

Conrad wrote: »

So the Germans and French will impose trade barriers, harm thier trade and make the EU even more unstable, not to mention very uncertain for business. This is the crux of the misunderstanding by Remoaners that think we are a weak petitioner.

Let me explain this one more time.
The damage the Germans and the French would do to their own trade by imposing barriers on UK trade will be FAR less than the damage that would be done by undermining the single market.

the presidents of the Association of German Chambers of Commerce and Industry (DIHK) and the German Confederation of Skilled Crafts (ZDH) said that granting Britain an opt-out from the four freedoms – free movement of goods, services, capital and persons – could amount to the “beginning of the end” of the single market.

Markus Kerber, the leader of Germany’s largest industry group, the BDI, said recently that trade, investments and single-market solidarity with the rest of the EU were more important than the volume of business German companies do with Britain.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/13/german-trade-bodies-back-angela-merkels-tough-stance-over-brexit

So, no, the EU is not going to wrap up the single market because little xenophobic england throws a strop, it's just not going to happen.

Thrugelmir

mayonnaise wrote: »

So, no, the EU is not going to wrap up the single market because little xenophobic england throws a strop, it's just not going to happen.

If the UK does invoke Article 50. Then the pressure on Eire is considerable. Unofficial polls suggest vote is currently 40% leave. An uncomfortable level of sentiment.

The EU itself will split on the topic of the UK. Between close trading partners and the Eastern bloc, which purely enjoys the benefits without significant trade in either direction. .

CLAPTON

mayonnaise wrote: »

Let me explain this one more time.
The damage the Germans and the French would do to their own trade by imposing barriers on UK trade will be FAR less than the damage that would be done by undermining the single market.



https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/13/german-trade-bodies-back-angela-merkels-tough-stance-over-brexit

So, no, the EU is not going to wrap up the single market because little xenophobic england throws a strop, it's just not going to happen.

Let me explain this one more time.
The only people who will undermine tading witin the 'single' market will be the self inflicted madness of the EU27, in order for some sort of political point scoring.
It won't be the UK

ruggedtoast

The Daily Fascist has the best headlines ever today.

Gloating Europhiles hailed Theresa May's humiliation tonight after judges ruled she cannot trigger Brexit without approval from parliament.

The dramatic decision at the High Court raises the prospect of months of delay while MPs and peers fight a rearguard action against cutting ties with Brussels.

It sparked furious accusations that 'activist' judges are mounting a 'power grab' by siding with pro-EU campaigners against the will of the public.

The will of the public! Ha! Tards.

Am I gloating? Oh yes I very much am so. I am going to concentrate on goading also.

Masomnia

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Am I gloating? Oh yes I very much am so. I am going to concentrate on goading also.

Enjoy it while you can, as the next step will be an appeal, which either the government will win, or will result in a vote in parliament... which the government will win.