If we vote for Brexit what happens

mayonnaise

Filo25 wrote: »

If that happened there may be circumstances in which you could justify a second referendum, but I think its extremely unlikely to happen, there doesn't seem to be much leavers' regret around!

Oh no, please not another referendum.
Let's just get on with it, trigger Art.50, quickly trash out a deal keeping us within customs union and single market, a bit of tinkering around immigration to keep the claptons happy and Bob's your uncle.

MobileSaver

prosaver wrote: »

And they did not vote to stay in the Eu,

Agreed, by my calculations:

37% voted to leave the EU
35% voted to remain in the EU
28% didn't vote

A pig in a poke result, no clear majority and certainly no way that either side can claim to be acting for the "will of the people" or "the majority of the country."

Filo25

melanzana wrote: »

I am not in UK so forgive me.

Surely a vote in Parliament will copperfasten the Brexit result?

Or is there a possibility that MPs might not support the referendum result.

Sorry am confused as you can see!

And also, seems daft to me that those who voted out wished to give more power to Westminster, and are now complaining about the power it has!

Ignoring some of the hyperbole today, realistically there is next to no chance for Parliament to overturn the Brexit vote.

Parliament will no doubt be planing to use the vote to acquire more powers around the entire Brexit process however, and may well be hoping to influence the "type" of Brexit which will be achieved, certainly Theresa May's language seeming to favour a Hard Brexit, hasn't found too many friends in Westminster.

Moby

CLAPTON wrote: »

the majority of MP are pro EU and have been for many, many years

what is the purpose of a referendum if parliament over turns the result (even though it clearly has the power to do so).

Same as always....Parliament scrutinises the Executive....it means the eventual deal is not just going to be a stitch up of the loons like Fox, Davis, Farage etc but more shades of view are going to be acknowledged. As Farron said we agreed to depart.....but as for the destination....the referendum did not answer.......so the only fair way is the Govmt makes a plan, negotiates a deal and consults Parliament. The question now is how is Parliaments thinking to be taken into account?

TrickyTree83

mayonnaise wrote: »

Oh no, please not another referendum.
Let's just get on with it, trigger Art.50, quickly trash out a deal keeping us within customs union and single market, a bit of tinkering around immigration to keep the claptons happy and Bob's your uncle.

Outside the customs union, keep your immigration as you like it.

We need to be able to trade with everyone on good terms and not be stifled by any of the other EU members in doing so.

TrickyTree83

MobileSaver wrote: »

Agreed, by my calculations:

37% voted to leave the EU
35% voted to remain in the EU
28% didn't vote

A pig in a poke result, no clear majority and certainly no way that either side can claim to be acting for the "will of the people" or "the majority of the country."

*sigh*

The 28% that didn't vote gave up the responsibility to those who did.

Again - that's how referenda work. The 28% can therefore no longer be included in the calculation of "what the country voted for". Effectively they [STRIKE]have[/STRIKE] had no say on the matter.

Why aren't you getting this? Is it just because it doesn't fit a narrative?

wotsthat

CLAPTON wrote: »

the majority of MP are pro EU and have been for many, many years

The mood music has changed. Politicians find it easier to follow the votes than to persuade the votes to follow them.

CLAPTON wrote: »

what is the purpose of a referendum if parliament over turns the result (even though it clearly has the power to do so).

The only purpose was to help secure a Tory 2015 GE win. We weren't actually meant to vote to leave the EU.

There should never have been a referendum. Cameron should've promised a full parliamentary debate and vote on EU membership and the electorate could've considered the respective positions during the GE campaign.

Filo25

melanzana wrote: »

Looking on from afar, I have often wondered if the referendum was held with indecent haste.

If, for example a proper exit road map had been presented warts and all in the campaign, would it have been easier to trigger A50?

I don't think there is or was any plan, as the remainers never thought Brexit would be voted for.

Therein lies the problem. No plan, no strategy, resources not in place to legislate for all the changes needed, uncertainty, ah you know the rest.

Its not all that surprising, there was never meant to be a referendum in the first place, Cameron promised it to encourage potential UKIP voters to vote Tory in the marginals, he hoped that would be enough to get them another term in coalition with the LibDems, and the promise would get binned as part of the coalition negotiations.

Unfortunately for him the plan was too successful in the end and he ended up with a Conservative majority, and no easy way to back down.

I fully agree the whole thing has been handled poorly throughout, the standard of debate from both sides throughout the campaign was awful.

I don't think the likes of Cameron ever really seriously thought Remain would lose, and if that did happen he was always going to walk immediately, so hey why make a plan for someone else's problem.

It wasn't the finest hour for our political class as a whole unfortunately!

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

Same as always....Parliament scrutinises the Executive....it means the eventual deal is not just going to be a stitch up of the loons like Fox, Davis, Farage etc but more shades of view are going to be acknowledged. As Farron said we agreed to depart.....but as for the destination....the referendum did not answer.......so the only fair way is the Govmt makes a plan, negotiates a deal and consults Parliament. The question now is how is Parliaments thinking to be taken into account?

undoubtedly parliament should and will be consulted: indeed there is no way the government can prevent the majority of MP being consulted if they take that view.

however invoking article 50 simply gives the EU formal notice of our intention to leave and doesn't predetermine the T&C of our destination.

melanzana

Filo25 wrote: »

Its not all that surprising, there was never meant to be a referendum in the first place, Cameron promised it to encourage potential UKIP voters to vote Tory in the marginals, he hoped that would be enough to get them another term in coalition with the LibDems, and the promise would get binned as part of the coalition negotiations.

Unfortunately for him the plan was too successful in the end and he ended up with a Conservative majority, and no easy way to back down.

I fully agree the whole thing has been handled poorly throughout, the standard of debate from both sides throughout the campaign was awful.

I don't think the likes of Cameron ever really seriously thought Remain would lose, and if that did happen he was always going to walk immediately, so hey why make a plan for someone else's problem.

It wasn't the finest hour for our political class as a whole unfortunately!

Thank you for the background information.

Although I do keep an eye on UK politics, sometimes the ramifications of things don't register until much later! I am sure I am not alone in that either.

Interesting times ahead.

I wonder if there will be a snap election, with Brexit or Remain on the manifesto!

Easy solution to this surely. Tories will win hands down I think, so maybe Theresa May has this in mind?

But who knows.

A week is a long time in politics!