If we vote for Brexit what happens

markharding557

Filo25 wrote: »

I understand the frustration around that, but I really don't think there are the votes in the Commons to block invoking Article 50 for no good reason, most MPs really aren't that brave given they have to face the public again by 2020 at the latest to see if they are going to keep their jobs.

Even as a Remainer I think it would be a very dangerous precedent for any MP to vote against Leaving the EU if both the country and their constituency voted to Leave, and most constituencies did vote to Leave.

I would expect quite a few MPs in areas which voted Remain to oppose invoking Article 50, but there aren't remotely the numbers there to block it in parliament

A good move for May would be to call an election straight after a vote on article 50, this would concentrate minds on consequences some what.

ruggedtoast

I think its time for a Daily Mail Brexitard Digest of Indignant Fury. There is just so much poorly parsed invectiive to choose from:

No nono

MartinRiggs101, Cardiff, United Kingdom, 4 hours ago
Don't nobble us Brexitiers. Get it done or you have nearly 18 million problems that will come looking for answers.

David Johnson, S!!!!horpe, United Kingdom, less than a minute ago
We the British people decided hundreds of years ago . To have democracy government elected by the people to represent THEM. And to the rule of law to protect the people against the powerful I. E kings Queens dictators and Anarchy. Today the judges and law voted for ANARCHY. Welcome to the united kingdom of Egypt.

Scotty Green, Aberdeen, United Kingdom, 4 hours ago
The majority of the PEOPLE Voted. That is all that matters

smithjh, London, United Kingdom, 4 hours ago
the E U is a co rr u pt pol iti cal entity and free move me nt is a way for E U poli tici ans to shift so ci al and fina ncial pro blems to the U K - End the madness now before it's way too late!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Miskinman, Cardiff, United Kingdom, about a minute ago
They have declared civil war in this our beloved country! These prats should NOT be in office, ODIOUS CREEPS

Ducati1098, London, United Kingdom, 3 hours ago
hopefully someone knows where this woman lives

Clint1215, Ipswich, United Kingdom, 4 hours ago
If Brexit doesn't happen I'm voting British. B.N.P next time round at lease they admit they are not democratic.

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I think I have thought of a solution to this. Just tell them that Article 50 has been submitted and Europe has sunk beneath the waves. Any foreigners they encounter in their day to day lives were washed up on the shore.

They'll be too thick to know any different and the rest of us can get on with living in the world.

Herzlos

mrginge wrote: »

Erm... we did.

No we didn't. We only asked those that are eligible to vote, which is fair enough for an election. Now that it's with Parliament, we need to trust that the MP's will base their decision on everyone and not just those that voted.

Filo25

Out,_Vile_Jelly wrote: »

Just wondering about the boundary changes; are they expected to be in place for the 2020 election? I live in an area of south London that is being completely redrawn. Currently I have a Labour MP, a strong majority Tory is 10 mins down the road and a nervous Lib Dem 10 mins the other way. Will be really interesting to see what comes out in the wash with the new constituencies, but presumably a snap election would be on current definitions?

Its meant to be 2018 they come into force, although there is a possibility that they won't get through parliament (even though it benefits the Tories in total), the reduction in seat numbers is going to see some MPs on all sides losing their jobs.

beecher2

Filo25 wrote: »

It may just be a lucky circumstance but its the one we find ourselves in, so I don't think you have much to fear. Also even some Remain areas have MPs who supported the Leave vote, they obviously will support invoking Article 50 in spite of the votes of their constituents.

Surely the whole Taking Back Control argument anyway was that absolute power needed to reside at Westminster and that if they did something we didn't like we could just get rid of them at the next election.

If the government wanted to be able to proceed with leaving the EU without involving parliament it should have set this up as a binding referendum in the first place.

True. All seems a bit pointless to me, but I can see the democratic argument for involving Parliament though I do still worry about what would happen in the case of Scotland voting for independence and Westminster being against it.

I wonder what will happen if parliament is told a negotiating position which does not end up being acceptable by the EU. Could we have another parliamentary vote in 2019 where parliament rejects the final deal?

Filo25

markharding557 wrote: »

A good move for May would be to call an election straight after a vote on article 50, this would concentrate minds on consequences some what.

I think that prospect will be held over MPs heads.

There are issues for her though in actually calling an election

1. Its still on the old boundaries, and the new ones should help the Tories significantly.
2. It might bring things to a head with Labour and a bad defeat for them could see Corbyn going and a more electable leader replacing him, I imagine the Tories want Corbyn in place for as long as possible, so that the Labour "brand" can become more strongly associated with him in the minds of middle England.
3. A General Election with Brexit as a leading issue is going to keep the UKIP vote strong, and May is undoubtedly hoping that a lot of that vote will be coming to the Tories in the next election after the controversy and debate around Brexit has died down.

TrickyTree83

beecher2 wrote: »

True. All seems a bit pointless to me, but I can see the democratic argument for involving Parliament though I do still worry about what would happen in the case of Scotland voting for independence and Westminster being against it.

I wonder what will happen if parliament is told a negotiating position which does not end up being acceptable by the EU. Could we have another parliamentary vote in 2019 where parliament rejects the final deal?

This ruling, if upheld, certainly has negative connotations from a Scottish nationalist perspective. That a non-legally binding referendum could be voted down in Westminster.

beecher2

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

This ruling, if upheld, certainly has negative connotations from a Scottish nationalist perspective. That a non-legally binding referendum could be voted down in Westminster.

Or for any of the devolved nations holding a referendum.

ruggedtoast

Meanwhile, chief brexito$$er Nigel Farage is threatening sedition:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-legal-challenge-latest-nigel-farage-updates-ukip-article-50-parliament-huge-anger-political-a7395006.html

Just try it you little toad. You remember what happened the last time a blackshirt movement tried to march through London.

Out,_Vile_Jelly

I think the initial reaction of shock and anger is understandable; as it does seem a bit of a slap in the face to those who were offered a clear, simple choice and voted in good faith accordingly. I've dutifully voted in every election, but the referendum was the only time I felt it actually counted and my voice had equal weighting with everyone else's.

However, on reflection, it probably should be thrashed out in parliament at some point so better to do it sooner rather than later. It will certainly be an intriguing test of what exactly parliament is, and what it's for. I would expect all MPs to fully justify their stance in relation to their constituency.