If we vote for Brexit what happens

MobileSaver

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Can we please all stop using backdoor BS to try and spin this any other way than what it actually was?

You can call it whatever you want but it is a simple fact that the majority of the UK population did not vote to leave the EU.

wotsthat

mrginge wrote: »

Will all depend on the on-side numbers in the Tory party I guess...

Exactly, that's all it depends on. If they really thought they had the numbers they'd simply take this ruling with good grace and put a motion before parliament.

jimjames

Yamumuk wrote: »

Frankly any over riding decision from Brexit in our democracy is a good thing cause it is absolute and total madness to have voted out in the first place. Stop it at all costs.

You only have to see the meltdown of comments on the DM site to see the mindset of a lot of people who voted Leave. If they can't even understand how our democracy works and are suggesting judges should be hanged then trying to get them to realise the ramifications of the vote will be impossible.

Tammykitty

MobileSaver wrote: »

Point of order: It was actually a minority of the country who voted to leave the EU...

And it was a minority of the country who voted to join (or actually - remain) in the EC in 1975 also.


So to use your own argument, we should never have been in the EC in the first place.

TrickyTree83

MobileSaver wrote: »

You can call it whatever you want but it is a simple fact that the majority of the UK population did not vote to leave the EU.

They did because abstention doesn't count towards anything under UK law on referenda.

The AV referendum was under a 50% turnout, it wasn't deemed invalid, we appear to have nothing that invalidates the result of the referendum.

So if abstentions do not count towards any outcome then the only two outcomes you can count are the two options on the ballot. In which case Leave had a majority.

Tammykitty

Any decent MP if the vote goes to parliament, should vote in the way his constituency voted in the referendum


Of the voting area's - 270 voted leave, 129 voted remain, so the majority of MP's should also vote leave

Herzlos

mrginge wrote: »

How do you consider them if you don't know what they think?

You can always ask them, or something. :j

Filo25

I'm finding the outcry around this a bit bizarre anyway, it seems odd for so many who campaigned to Leave the EU, with one of the main listed reasons being that we needed to take back power for our parliament, are now hugely opposed to our parliament being involved in such a massive decision.

Relatively small numbers of MPs are likely to come out as being fully opposed invoking Article 50 anyway, realistically if you represent a seat which voted Leave, in a country which voted Leave, you would struggle to justify outright opposition to invoking Article 50, but equally many in Parliament will clearly much more information and input on the process and negotiations than the government wants to give them ( I see Keir Starmer is already taking this line for Labour today).

I don't see an issue on that, this is a massive decision, we are a parliamentary democracy and the current PM has very little personal mandate given she wasn't in charge at the last election when the Tories won a narrow majority.

CLAPTON

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Er, no. Democracy is predicated on lobbying for changes in policy.

Fascism is that the majority bullies the minority into acquiescence regardless of how wrong they are.

I appreciate, being a UKIP member, that you aren't terribly understanding of the difference.

Indeed, I do not understand how you think democracy should work: it does seem to the assume an absolute 'right or wrong', irrespective of what the majority vote for.

TrickyTree83

Filo25 wrote: »

I'm finding the outcry around this a bit bizarre anyway, it seems odd for so many who campaigned to Leave the EU, with one of the main listed reasons being that we needed to take back power for our parliament, are now hugely opposed to our parliament being involved in such a massive decision.

Relatively small numbers of MPs are likely to come out as being fully opposed invoking Article 50 anyway, realistically if you represent a seat which voted Leave, in a country which voted Leave, you would struggle to justify outright opposition to invoking Article 50, but equally many in Parliament will clearly much more information and input on the process and negotiations than the government wants to give them ( I see Keir Starmer is already taking this line for Labour today).

I don't see an issue on that, this is a massive decision, we are a parliamentary democracy and the current PM has very little personal mandate given she wasn't in charge at the last election when the Tories won a narrow majority.

I don't think anyone would begrudge parliament being involved in the process if the ultimate goal was set in stone that the result will be upheld and we will leave.

That parliament should be involved in what leave looks like seems reasonable to me if that's not going to be put to the public also.

What I hate seeing and probably what others who also voted leave will also hate is the pandemic of whooping and hollering by those who vehemently want to remain who see this as an opportunity to usurp the referendum result, which it absolutely should not be.