If we vote for Brexit what happens

Herzlos

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Effectively there were 3 options.

- Leave
- Remain
- Abstain

But there are 4 groups:

- Leave
- Remain
- Abstain
- Not asked

And it's up to Parliament to consider the best interests of all 4 groups, not just the vocal first 2.

They'll also be able to act on a lot more information than the electorate had 5 months ago; discussions with industry, more details on plans, etc.

Yamumuk

Ohhhhhhhh.... yeeeeeah baby !

CLAPTON

jimjames wrote: »

I just find it incredible that Brexiteers are in such a meltdown over democracy which is all this is about. The whole point of their campaign appeared to be giving Parliament control over our destiny yet when that actually happens they don't like it!
The actual verdict is here, it might help if some were to actually read it

https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/summary-r-miller-v-secretary-of-state-for-exiting-the-eu-20161103.pdf

What many of us wanted was the primacy of UK law above EU law.

In retrospect, the issue of whether a referendum was intended to be implemented without a parliamentary vote may have been an interesting question.
In my view, the intention of any referendum is to provide a mechanism for the popular direct vote to over ride that of MPs.

beecher2

Herzlos wrote: »

But there are 4 groups:

- Leave
- Remain
- Abstain
- Not asked

And it's up to Parliament to consider the best interests of all 4 groups, not just the vocal first 2.

They'll also be able to act on a lot more information than the electorate had 5 months ago; discussions with industry, more details on plans, etc.

Surely there would be uproar if Parliament decided not to trigger Article 50? I voted Remain, would love to find a way for Scotland to do so but the majority of people in England and Wales voted Leave. Surely that can't be ignored?

jimjames

CLAPTON wrote: »

What many of us wanted was the primacy of UK law above EU law.

In retrospect, the issue of whether a referendum was intended to be implemented without a parliamentary vote may have been an interesting question.
In my view, the intention of any referendum is to provide a mechanism for the popular direct vote to over ride that of MPs.

The problem is that no one actually thought about what the process would be.


If you start to allow the government to bypass parliament if they decide it's in their interest then we are down a slippery slope to dictatorship.

Yamumuk

Just watch out for letting Fascism creep in cause you Brexiters are not very good at seeing things for what they really are.

beecher2

CLAPTON wrote: »

In my view, the intention of any referendum is to provide a mechanism for the popular direct vote to over ride that of MPs.

Any referendum? If Scotland voted for independence, should Westminster be able to vote on whether it should happen or not?

Yamumuk

Clapton why exactly. What laws and why and how do they affect you directly, why do you care ?

Conrad

jimjames wrote: »

That's the problem in bowing to populism and referendum results rather than parliament doing what they are meant to.


.

Surely, by definition, the 'left' is always populist?
Free stuff, get your free stuff here, someone else is paying, all issues are fixable if we just spend a bit more.


Right across Europe left leaning social democratic parties are out of favour and falling out of power, aside from Portugal, perhaps Spain is about the only nation where a left wing Govt might take charge.


There's a reason for this and it has to do with the way left wing people feel they and they alone hold the wisdom that needs to be handed down in order to remedy 'false consciousness'.


Take for example mass immigration; The rights answer is to LISTEN to the people and act upon it. The lefts answer is to claim the people 'have it wrong', or worse 'must be xenophobic', and thus must be re-educated (Ken Loach said as much on QT)

TrickyTree83

lisyloo wrote: »

No, your understanding of the words is incorrect.


Highest - biggest number
Majority - greater than half


Some didn't actively abstain. I had some friends who went on holiday and didn't apply in time (their fault but still not a conscious deliberate act on their part).

Fine, use highest. It doesn't change the reality that there were 3 outcomes from the vote does it.

Leave
Remain
Abstain (whether you wanted to or not)

End of.