If we vote for Brexit what happens

prosaver

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Meanwhile, chief brexito$$er Nigel Farage is threatening sedition:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-legal-challenge-latest-nigel-farage-updates-ukip-article-50-parliament-huge-anger-political-a7395006.html

Just try it you little toad. You remember what happened the last time a blackshirt movement tried to march through London.

referendum
ˌrɛfəˈrɛndəm/Submit
noun
a general vote by the electorate on a single political question which has been referred to them for a direct decision.
Not for parliment to decide ..us the people, and we did , deal with it.
Judge should be sacked.

MobileSaver

Tammykitty wrote: »

So to use your own argument, we should never have been in the EC in the first place.

No, not at all, my argument is simply against those trying to claim this is "the will of the people" or "the majority of the country", it simply wasn't and isn't.

MobileSaver wrote:

the majority of the UK population did not vote to leave the EU.

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

They did because abstention doesn't count towards anything under UK law on referenda.

No, they did not. I am not disputing that the majority of the people who voted did but that is not the same thing by a long shot as "the majority of the country."

The indisputable facts are very simple; 17,410,742 people voted to leave out of an electorate of 46,501,241 which means only 37% of the population voted to leave the EU. Whichever way you slice or dice it that is a far cry from the majority of the country.

StevieJ

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Meanwhile, chief brexito$$er Nigel Farage is threatening sedition:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-legal-challenge-latest-nigel-farage-updates-ukip-article-50-parliament-huge-anger-political-a7395006.html

Just try it you little toad. You remember what happened the last time a blackshirt movement tried to march through London.

Is that the same guy who stated this, last year

I believe in Britain. A Britain outside of the EU with an exciting future ahead of it. A proud, patriotic country that has control of its borders, represents itself on the world stage and makes its own laws in our own sovereign Parliament.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/11961604/Britain-will-be-flattened-if-it-stays-in-the-EU.html

TrickyTree83

MobileSaver wrote: »

No, not at all, my argument is simply against those trying to claim this is "the will of the people" or "the majority of the country", it simply wasn't and isn't.





No, they did not. I am not disputing that the majority of the people who voted did but that is not the same thing by a long shot as "the majority of the country."

The indisputable facts are very simple; 17,410,742 people voted to leave out of an electorate of 46,501,241 which means only 37% of the population voted to leave the EU. Whichever way you slice or dice it that is a far cry from the majority of the country.

abstention

noun
1.
an instance of declining to vote for or against a proposal or motion.

Therefore declining to vote Remain or Leave is a decision by that person to leave the handling of the vote to those who do turn up. Seceding responsibility to the turnout, who now represent the views of the electorate.

Your calculation should be:

Eligible vote - Abstentions = Overall vote

Leave vote / Overall vote = Leave percentage

Remain vote / Overall vote = Remain percentage

Your creative mathematics would mean that almost any decision ever taken as a referendum has never had a majority. But that's not how it's calculated, and you know it.

Tromking

MobileSaver wrote: »

No, not at all, my argument is simply against those trying to claim this is "the will of the people" or "the majority of the country", it simply wasn't and isn't.

No, they did not. I am not disputing that the majority of the people who voted did but that is not the same thing by a long shot as "the majority of the country."

The indisputable facts are very simple; 17,410,742 people voted to leave out of an electorate of 46,501,241 which means only 37% of the population voted to leave the EU. Whichever way you slice or dice it that is a far cry from the majority of the country.

Perhaps if you conceded that enough people voted for Brexit for it to be legitimate then you could move on.

Rinoa

UK Government

EU Referendum Information Pack

Published 6 April 2016

"This is your decision.
The government will implement what you decide."

TrickyTree83

Tromking wrote: »

Perhaps if you conceded that enough people voted for Brexit for it to be legitimate then you could move on.

The poster just doesn't understand what an abstention is.

I don't get why not.

For example if the entire country had abstained except for 1 person and that person had voted to Leave it would be a 100% win for Leave as the rest of the population had effectively voted to have that decision made for them by those who did turn up. As a section of the population they no longer count in the voting figures.

wotsthat

Rinoa wrote: »

UK Government

EU Referendum Information Pack

Published 6 April 2016

"This is your decision.
The government will implement what you decide."

They lied. What are you going to do about it apart from vote them in again?

Filo25

Rinoa wrote: »

UK Government

EU Referendum Information Pack

Published 6 April 2016

"This is your decision.
The government will implement what you decide."

And as far as I've seen nothing that's happened today will change that

MobileSaver

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

The poster just doesn't understand what an abstention is.

On the contrary I know exactly what an abstention is.

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

As a section of the population they no longer count in the voting figures.

You can play around with words and redefine terms to suit your agenda as much as you wish; none of this changes the irrefutable fact that "the majority of the country" did not vote to leave the EU.