If we vote for Brexit what happens

Masomnia

Tammykitty wrote: »

And it was a minority of the country who voted to join (or actually - remain) in the EC in 1975 also.


So to use your own argument, we should never have been in the EC in the first place.

Indeed there was no referendum on joining.

In fact the process of joining began without Parliament being consulted.

mrginge

Herzlos wrote: »

You can always ask them, or something. :j

Erm... we did.

Conrad

jimjames wrote: »

You only have to see the meltdown of comments on the DM site to see the mindset of a lot of people who voted Leave. If they can't even understand how our democracy works and are suggesting judges should be hanged then trying to get them to realise the ramifications of the vote will be impossible.

You only have to see how remainers were cowed by totally farcical project fear to understand what little true intelligence and common sense they posses. The Treasury fear forecasts have been completely discredited by 2 Treasury Select Committees 'they bring economics into disrepute' as Mervyn King conclude - and you lot fell for this tissue of lies


Don't get excited oh sheeple ones, we're leaving the EU, becoming FULLY sovereign and trade will obviously be unhindered. Its about time you lot tried a little deeper thought

Conrad

Remaoner establishment lawyers happy to daily cede powers to Brussels without quibble, lol

Conrad

CLAPTON wrote: »

Indeed, I do not understand how you think democracy should work: it does seem to the assume an absolute 'right or wrong', irrespective of what the majority vote for.

Clapton that's the nub of liberal lefty thinking. If people are concerned by mass immigration, their answer is not to control and curb it, on no, it's to 're-educate' the xenophobes


Arrogant liberals literally view themselves as wise apostles spreading the vision of heaven on earth, there is nothing to debate

Filo25

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

I don't think anyone would begrudge parliament being involved in the process if the ultimate goal was set in stone that the result will be upheld and we will leave.

That parliament should be involved in what leave looks like seems reasonable to me if that's not going to be put to the public also.

What I hate seeing and probably what others who also voted leave will also hate is the pandemic of whooping and hollering by those who vehemently want to remain who see this as an opportunity to usurp the referendum result, which it absolutely should not be.

I understand the frustration around that, but I really don't think there are the votes in the Commons to block invoking Article 50 for no good reason, most MPs really aren't that brave given they have to face the public again by 2020 at the latest to see if they are going to keep their jobs.

Even as a Remainer I think it would be a very dangerous precedent for any MP to vote against Leaving the EU if both the country and their constituency voted to Leave, and most constituencies did vote to Leave.

I would expect quite a few MPs in areas which voted Remain to oppose invoking Article 50, but there aren't remotely the numbers there to block it in parliament

TrickyTree83

Filo25 wrote: »

I understand the frustration around that, but I really don't think there are the votes in the Commons to block invoking Article 50 for no good reason, most MPs really aren't that brave given they have to face the public again by 2020 at the latest to see if they are going to keep their jobs.

Even as a Remainer I think it would be a very dangerous precedent for any MP to vote against Leaving the EU if both the country and their constituency voted to Leave, and most constituencies did vote to Leave.

I would expect quite a few MPs in areas which voted Remain to oppose invoking Article 50, but there aren't remotely the numbers there to block it in parliament

That is just a lucky circumstance that supports the result.

If there was somehow a majority of constituencies for Remain yet still a majority for Leave the majority of individual votes should still be upheld over and above constituency results. My worry is that the MP's will not reflect their constituencies and that they will do "what they think is best for their constituents" despite their constituents telling them what they want from their MP.

StevieJ

Filo25 wrote: »

I'm finding the outcry around this a bit bizarre anyway, it seems odd for so many who campaigned to Leave the EU, with one of the main listed reasons being that we needed to take back power for our parliament, are now hugely opposed to our parliament being involved in such a massive decision.
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I think Noel Gallagher would probably agree with you

I see politicians on TV every night telling us that this is a !!!!ing momentous decision that could !!!!ing change Britain forever and blah, blah, blah. It’s like, okay, why don’t you !!!!ing do what we pay you to do which is run the !!!!ing country and make your !!!!ing mind up....What are you asking the people for? 99 percent of the people are thick as pig !!!!.

Out,_Vile_Jelly

Just wondering about the boundary changes; are they expected to be in place for the 2020 election? I live in an area of south London that is being completely redrawn. Currently I have a Labour MP, a strong majority Tory is 10 mins down the road and a nervous Lib Dem 10 mins the other way. Will be really interesting to see what comes out in the wash with the new constituencies, but presumably a snap election would be on current definitions?

Filo25

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

That is just a lucky circumstance that supports the result.

If there was somehow a majority of constituencies for Remain yet still a majority for Leave the majority of individual votes should still be upheld over and above constituency results. My worry is that the MP's will not reflect their constituencies and that they will do "what they think is best for their constituents" despite their constituents telling them what they want from their MP.

It may just be a lucky circumstance but its the one we find ourselves in, so I don't think you have much to fear. Also even some Remain areas have MPs who supported the Leave vote, they obviously will support invoking Article 50 in spite of the votes of their constituents.

Surely the whole Taking Back Control argument anyway was that absolute power needed to reside at Westminster and that if they did something we didn't like we could just get rid of them at the next election.

If the government wanted to be able to proceed with leaving the EU without involving parliament it should have set this up as a binding referendum in the first place.