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If we vote for Brexit what happens

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  • Conrad
    Conrad Posts: 33,137 Forumite
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    edited 3 November 2016 at 12:22AM
    Herzlos wrote: »
    By law they need to have some facilities; I've seen people who are given those mini worktop single hob things, and a smallish pot. You're also assuming that whatever they have isn't broken, and they've currently got electricity.
    There's also apparently a surprising number of private rentals that don't provide legally required facilities.

    I'm not saying everyone buying junk food is doing so because they don't have a hob, I'm just saying that making food more expensive won't cause people to get a better diet, because in some cases they don't have any actual choice.

    I didn't mention obesity, just that you might find that a lot of homeless people will go and buy something hot from a takeaway if they have the cash.

    Why else do you think food bank usage has gone through the roof?


    The majority of people in poorer towns with a mass of takeaways options certainly do have reasonable cooking facilities. We can carry on with the decades long liberal middle class excuse making and victim framing but nothing will change if we do

    You can go right accross very poor parts of Turkey, Italy and Greece and find people preparing good healthy cheap foods. It's mainly down to a cultural attitude, and frightfully nice middle class wonk corbynista types haven't got a clue, all they do is perpetuate the myth Brits are incapable victims. God I'd love to sort this out by showing people what they can achieve with a little confidence
  • GreatApe
    GreatApe Posts: 4,452 Forumite
    Conrad wrote: »
    The majority of people in poorer towns with a mass of takeaways options certainly do have reasonable cooking facilities. We can carry on with the decades long liberal middle class excuse making and victim framing but nothing will change if we do

    You can go right accross very poor parts of Turkey, Italy and Greece and find people preparing good healthy cheap foods. It's mainly down to a cultural attitude, and frightfully nice middle class wonk corbynista types haven't got a clue, all they do is perpetuate the myth Brits are incapable victims. God I'd love to sort this out by showing people what they can achieve with a little confidence


    There are lots of fat and obese people in Turkey/Greece now

    You are probably looking at an outdated view of 15-20+ years ago where those countries were a lot poorer and the people had much less access (or none at all) to cheap processed foods and worked more manual physical jobs. You can see this not just in their lower levels of fat and obesity back then but also that they were shorter too indicating some levels of malnourishment in the formative years

    Now the younger generations are just as tall as the richer western countries as they have access to better and more foods during their formative years but they are also quite fat now too for much of the same reasons. Primarily its because as a country develops they deploy machines and automation, these machines give the population cheap high density foods at very low prices so people start eating more chocolates/cokes/biscuits/crisps/oversized-portions/etc

    Willpower can overcome the access to excess calories but its clear a lot of people dont have the willpower or dont stop to think of themselves as fat or obese
  • wotsthat
    wotsthat Posts: 11,325 Forumite
    Ballard wrote: »
    How dare you describe me as racist. Nothing in my post (or my life) could possibly be described so. I ask you to point out the racist part or issue a full apology.

    In the real world racists obviously voted leave. On the internet a non-racist leave voter (for reasons unknown) seem at pains to point out anyone who voted remain is a racist.

    Maybe they've spent so long making assumptions about people based simply on the company they keep it's put themselves in an uncomfortable position knowing some of their own fellow travellers are pretty vile.

    I wouldn't take it to heart.
  • ruggedtoast
    ruggedtoast Posts: 9,819 Forumite
    CLAPTON wrote: »
    As you ought to know, but obviously don't, Spain does not make its own laws but must obey the EU: so Spain could NOT join the AU as it would be illegal under EU law.

    Your uneducated racist views about Africans are unwelcome.

    The refusal of the EU, to trade with Africa on the same terms as the white christian countries of europe, is clearly discriminatory as its having discriminatory rules about immigration. Under no circumstances could cyrpus be called 'europe' except that part of it is white christian and culturally 'european'.



    You totally fail to understand the meaning of the word 'discriminate'

    The EU has done enormous harm to the people of african countries by levying high tariffs on their agricultural products: Trade bring wealth which tends to bring peace, many of our African migration problems have been caused by the xenophobic EU policies

    The CAP will be in place for ever now.

    Thanks Brexitards.
  • buglawton
    buglawton Posts: 9,246 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 1,000 Posts Name Dropper
    The cynic in me wants to say I suspect food banks are being used because they exist. That way I can get some food and I can also own an iPhone5 (obviously not the latest version, that would be ridiculous).

    But pragmatically I would say that it's probably a combination of those who use them for the above reason and those who genuinely need them. I would not assume that a rise in food bank usage is directly linked to the destitution of the people using them. There are more people than we would like to admit who know how to game the UK's systems.

    From those at the top who avoid tax, to those at the bottom who also avoid tax, or play the system to get the most out of it.

    That's why I would 100% back a voucher system, or perhaps some form of government issue debit card that could only be used for particular purchases. So your child benefit goes on your kids and the money given for food and electricity goes on that, there's none of this flat screen TV, foreign holiday, smartphone, tablet, nike, cigarettes, booze, McDonalds, etc... expenditure when you're supposed to be on the "bread line".
    ..../QUOTE]

    I think you've hit the nail on the head here. Let's just say I know a real life case that matches your guess. It could even be a family where some members have recent expensive gadgets but all benefit from a food bank occasionally. But... food banks are great for preventing waste, reduce imports and good for the environment too.
    Perhaps the only problem with them is the media using them as an example of the 'widening wealth gap of Britain'.
  • gfplux
    gfplux Posts: 4,985 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 1,000 Posts Photogenic Hung up my suit!
    Inflation predicted to hit 4%: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37838087

    'households are about to endure a renewed period of falling living standards due to soaring inflation.

    Fuel, food and technology prices already are rising in response to the weaker pound, and hefty price rises will be seen across the whole spectrum of consumer goods next year.'

    Just like how the prices of everything from wine, to tea, to marmite, to apple products (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-37799235) are all going to be hiked.

    Thanks Brexiteers.

    Vocal and committed Brexiteers will consider this a small price to pay for taking back control. Those Brexiteers who are not so committed will probably blame the EU
    There will be no Brexit dividend for Britain.
  • gfplux
    gfplux Posts: 4,985 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 1,000 Posts Photogenic Hung up my suit!
    setmefree2 wrote: »
    The Markit/CIPS purchasing managers' index for the construction sector rose to 52.6, up from 52.3 in September......

    Output in the UK's construction sector rose in October, thanks to another "solid" increase in the residential building sector.

    Thanks for keeping the figures coming. In this phoney post Brexit world the good news just keeps on coming.
    I hope you will continue to post and hopefully they will continue to be good numbers,
    We all need, on both sides of the argument to keep up with key market numbers.
    There will be no Brexit dividend for Britain.
  • gfplux
    gfplux Posts: 4,985 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 1,000 Posts Photogenic Hung up my suit!
    Conrad wrote: »
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-wetherspoons-eu-european-drinks-stop-selling-tim-martin-bullying-leaders-a7393271.html



    Wetherspoons boss who campaigned for Leave threatens to stop selling European drinks because of 'EU bullying'

    Tim Martin accuses European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker of putting EU businesses at risk by telling them not to negotiate with UK companies


    “I don’t think Wetherspoon or British buyers are in a weak position because we can switch from Swedish cider to British cider. So the people put in a weak position are the sellers and I think that is the paradox that has not been illustrated.”

    Forgive me but if switching to British Cider was a good business decision why was it not done earlier? Methinks he is looking and getting some free advertising.
    There will be no Brexit dividend for Britain.
  • gfplux
    gfplux Posts: 4,985 Forumite
    Part of the Furniture 1,000 Posts Photogenic Hung up my suit!
    edited 3 November 2016 at 9:39AM
    Conrad wrote: »
    PS One of my Brothers is completely brassic, I mean utterly nothing left after bills each week due to a recent divorce and he rustles up amazing home cooked food every night for himself after having woken at 4 am (latest) for work and put in a 14 hour day


    He buys late at night in Tescos, all sorts of bargains and cooks from scratch

    I also have a family member who has been "bargain bin diving" at both Tesco and Asda for the last four or five years if not longer. It has become much more difficult to find good mark downs.
    He tells me that there are now many, many more people competing for the bargains with people spending time (being poor, you have the time) circling the various areas waiting for the moment of markdown.
    Ask your brother if he has seen any change over the years, unless he is one of the newbies
    There will be no Brexit dividend for Britain.
  • CLAPTON
    CLAPTON Posts: 41,865 Forumite
    10,000 Posts Combo Breaker
    The CAP will be in place for ever now.

    Thanks Brexitards.

    that's a very strange logic although clearly you share my view of the EU
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