If we vote for Brexit what happens

A_Medium_Size_Jock

ruggedtoast wrote: »

World recoils in disgust as Brexithugs roam the streets assaulting foreigners.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-attacks-a7386241.html

To clarify the Toxic one's post, this regards a video taken in May (before the referendum) of an assault.
This follows the recent conviction of that assailant.
Note please the following, from Toxic's link:

fuelling speculation the attacks could be linked to Brexit.

Now, I wonder what that poster says about - just as one example from EU-land, mind - the over-800 attacks on refugees homes in Germany so far this year?
https://www.thelocal.de/20161019/800-attacks-against-refugee-homes-reported-this-year

I am in no way condoning even one such assault, be it in the UK or elsewhere.
But you have to admit, the very few occurrences reported in the UK pale into insignificance compared to such numbers in Germany.


P.S.
Given the .......... er .................. "quality" of your posts the nom de plume is admirably accurate.

BobQ

mrginge wrote: »

The Swiss are not allowed to put curbs on the migration aspect.

EFTA countries pay into the EU budget

Trade deals are negotiated as a bloc. We want to negotiate our own deals and not have liechtenstein block us based on their totally different requirements.

EFTA as a group would be totally unbalanced by the addition of the UK (8 or so times larger?) why would they want this and why would we want to? Norway has already questioned whether adding the U.K. to EFTA is to their benefit.

EFTA/EEA as an outcome is worse than remaining in the EU. Single market alongside the same payments, less regulatory control, less control of immigration.

Of course EFTA negotiates trade deals between EFTA nations and non-EU nations. It has done so quite sucessfully with countries all over the planet. That does not mean that members of EFTA cannot have bi-laterals with other non EU and non-EFTA nations

It is true that they may not want us in EFTA since that might lead to renegotiation of its EFTA trade deals.

BobQ

setmefree2 wrote: »

We didn't/don't have the ability to vote out non-elected EU commissioners making decisions on our behalf who are unaccountable to anyone.

But we do have the right to vote out those who appointed them.

CKhalvashi

BobQ wrote: »

But we do have the right to vote out those who appointed them.

Unlike being able to vote our own Lords....

We win half the investment in Europe as a gateway to the single market, and the EU market accounts for over 40% of our exports compared to around 7% coming the other way. Remind me again who needs who the most?

silverwhistle

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Kudos for not even being able to spell 'thick' by the way, Conrad. Pretty much sums up your 'movement'.

You missed 'halve-baked'..:D

As for the rest, I really can't be arsed to reply more than this once. Emotive language (cult??!), optimistic and simplistic conjecture stated as fact

FACT; It is obvious EU - UK trade will not be deliberately hampered by the EU, thus it goes without saying that a perfectly good trading relationship will be settled upon.

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emotional halve-baked narratives sic

, when much of the argument for going was emotive, meaningless crap like 'get our country back' or 'we'll have more money to spend on the NHS'.

We still haven't formally activated the leaving process and there are massive assumptions being made that it will all go smoothly. Naive in the extreme.

The politicians are worse mind, as they should know better. Populist crap from people like Boris, unbelievably smug announcements from Lamont in his French chateau, nothing at all from sodding Corbyn, and no preparation from anyone.

CLAPTON

ruggedtoast wrote: »

By the way I don't hate my country either. Im just not very keen on small minded ignorant xenophobes..

did you vote to discriminate in favour of the residents of predominately white, christian european countries and voted to discriminate against the people of Black African countries in terms of trade and immigration?

wotsthat

Vince Cable thinks the Nissan deal is indicative of the UK staying in the customs union.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/oct/28/vince-cable-assurances-nissan-uk-customs-union-tariff

I hope he's wrong given the opportunity to strike trade deals with other nations is a fundamental part of the Brexit argument.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

wotsthat wrote: »

Vince Cable thinks the Nissan deal is indicative of the UK staying in the customs union.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/oct/28/vince-cable-assurances-nissan-uk-customs-union-tariff

I hope he's wrong given the opportunity to strike trade deals with other nations is a fundamental part of the Brexit argument.

Heh, certainly would not be the first time he's been wrong now would it?
This was recognised as far back as 2010 with C4 Factcheck saying of him:

Like any politician, when the facts change he changes his mind. Which goes to show that Saint Vince is human after all.

http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/is-vince-cables-economic-reputation-fully-deserved/1098

wotsthat

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Heh, certainly would not be the first time he's been wrong now would it?

TBH I think he's a media hungry fool so you'll get no disagreement there.

More interested in his logic. I would've thought the Nissan deal is indicative of a Uk government betting there will be tariff free trade post Brexit rather than a UK planning on staying in the customs union.

melanzana

The UK is finished when it leaves the EU.

Wouldn't be so bad if it was a Swiss/Nordic entity already.

But it is going to be a difficult transition.

Mainly because there are unknown unknowns out there, and few known unknowns!

Does any poster here know anything about the mechanisms involved in Brexit? I for sure don't. And I doubt if anyone does.

That is the problem.

All very fine to say we will be OK, but......