If we vote for Brexit what happens

Ballard

lisyloo wrote: »

Very good, I didn't know that.
However 50g of loose leaf tea is £9.15 - very expensive.
How many people on low or even middle income families do you think can afford to prioritise principle over price.

I like a sparkling wine called chapel down which is made in England, but it's about £25-£30 a bottle.

It's great to highlight this issue but realistically I don't think most people could afford it.

It's not really the price that's important. We simply couldn't grow enough tea here to satisfy everyone.

I did know about this and I understand that someone is looking to grow tea in Northern Ireland too.

Rinoa

Poland has told the European Commission it will defy their rulings because the Commission doesn’t respect Polish sovereignty or understand the Polish legal system. After the Polish government passed legislation allowing it to appoint its own judges to the constitutional court, the EC told them that this was against the rule of law, the first time the EU executive has criticised a member state under its rule-of-law procedure. The Polish government has hit back:

“In our dialogue with the European Commission, we have assumed that our cooperation will be based on such principles as objectivism, or respect for sovereignty, subsidiarity, and national identity. However, we have gradually come to realise that interferences into Poland’s internal affairs are not characterised by adherence to such principles. On top of that, such actions are largely based on incorrect assumptions which lead to unwarranted conclusions. So we regret to note that the Commission Recommendation is an expression of incomplete knowledge about how the legal system and the Constitutional Tribunal operate in Poland.”

http://order-order.com/2016/10/28/polish-government-tells-european-commission-get-lost/

Rebellion is spreading.

Conrad

Ballard wrote: »

Similarly, we may find that we end up continuing to fund the EU and abide by at least some of their laws in return for the trade agreement.

A modest fee payment and an immigration quota would be acceptable to the vast majority of Brits, but nowhere near the £28 million per day level.


But always remember we are not a weak petitioner, we have many aces and the EU knows it. The last thing Europe needs is a trade war that would put so much at risk, from corporation taxes to fishing rights,


No core European leader will impose tariffs, I am certain of it, their populations would deem it reckless if they put their own people out of a job thanks to hampering trade.

Conrad

vivatifosi wrote: »

I think that depends on disposable income, rather than how shallow people are. If you were on a low income, and had, say, £5.00 per week left when you paid your bills, you would soon notice if food prices went up.

People on good wages with a comfort buffer will notice increase in prices for items with inelastic demand less. The poor will notice food and energy prices increasing more.

The poor are sick of thier lot, wage compression and the tatty imports based economy that produces no real wealth for the nation.

They want above all the nation to prosper, and p1ssing your nations wealth out of the country to buy things like Chinese steel, was never a great idea.

Lefties above all others should welcome the long overdue economic rebalancing, and indeed the smart ones, the proper old Labour types do indeed welcome it, but the niave liberal north London types don't get it, yet.

Conrad

Ballard wrote: »

It's not really the price that's important. We simply couldn't grow enough tea here to satisfy everyone.

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You are correct of course, but I don't know if you've seen those shows by people like Jamie Oiliver and Hugh F Whittingstall? They have shown us how we leave brilliant British fruit rotting on the trees as we are too quick to import the same.

There is so much we can do to support ourselves and Brexit is the starting gun for this long overdue change.

It's just a council of dispair to throw our hands up and never fix our trade imbalance and hope it will just fix itself, it won't

Real wealth and real security comes if we start exporting more, and stop throwing our money out of the nation

wotsthat

setmefree2 wrote: »

Tea grown in Cornwall.

Typhoo are trying to get a price increase through. Maybe the 240 bags will go from £2.50 to £3.00.

Not one single person in the UK is going to respond by switching to British tea and paying £10 for 25 teabags.

Even the most fervent Brexiteer must realise that not everything about Brexit is going to be brilliant.

wotsthat

Conrad wrote: »

The poor are sick of thier lot, wage compression and the tatty imports based economy that produces no real wealth for the nation.

They want above all the nation to prosper, and p1ssing your nations wealth out of the country to buy things like Chinese steel, was never a great idea.

Lefties above all others should welcome the long overdue economic rebalancing, and indeed the smart ones, the proper old Labour types do indeed welcome it, but the niave liberal north London types don't get it, yet.

Opinion dressed up as fact. How do you know what poor people want?

You're the North London Liberal - you're just going through a phase.

TrickyTree83

wotsthat wrote: »

Typhoo are trying to get a price increase through. Maybe the 240 bags will go from £2.50 to £3.00.

Not one single person in the UK is going to respond by switching to British tea and paying £10 for 25 teabags.

Even the most fervent Brexiteer must realise that not everything about Brexit is going to be brilliant.

If British manufacturers/producers see that the UK market has become one in which they're now able to compete they have the opportunity to expand into the budget product market rather than the premium product market. You're comparing apples and pears and making an argument that they're not the same, I think that goes without saying.

Ballard

CLAPTON wrote: »

I think you do a dis-service to the people of the UK.

The overall EU system of government, doesn't allow me, as a citizen, to reasonably express by view in any meaningful way.
This can reasonably be described as a democrtaic deficit even if a small part of the process is in some way 'democratic'.

What's to stop you contacting your MEP in the same way that you can contact your MP? These elected officials are there to act for us and so you're entitled to put your view to them.

I live in a very safe Tory seat and I'm not a Conservative voter so my views are effectively ignored but that doesn't alter the fact that I live in a democracy.

wotsthat

setmefree2 wrote: »

Made in the UK. Often the value brands aren't.

Being made in the UK means some costs aren't affected by devaluation but all products will have a different profile. For Heinz baked beans the haricot beans will be imported and so will the tomato puree (USA and Italy I think). Then there's the steel of the can etc.

Don't forget the UK isn't even self sufficient in potatoes.

There's going to be a huge readjustment of people's shopping habits and it'll be fascinating to watch.