If we vote for Brexit what happens

CLAPTON

ruggedtoast wrote: »

It has apparently escaped your attention that Greece is part of the Eurozone. We are not.

well spotted : the UK will be saved from the combination of massive current a/c deficit, increase in foreign a/c debts etc by our ability to devalue the currency.
Devaluation is our saviour.

Unfortunately the madness of the EU elite continue to damage the people of the southern section of th Eurozone and continue to damage the economies of Black Africa: sadly the loonie left is more interested in praising the IRA, slapping homophobes on the back and calling them their friends, supporting private / grammar schools, supporting racists who think employment in the NHS should be determined by race, bribing people to suppress anti semitic reports etc.

Although, thanks to your generation's avaricious compulsion to acquire unfathomable amounts of debt with which to enrich yourselves while impoverishing your own children, we are not any better off in terms of indebtedness.

One can best correct the situation by celebrating the fall in the value of sterling, by raising interest rates, by limiting immigration so wages can rise and house prices fall and of course gain back control of law making.

Maybe when they take the triple lock off your state pension, rescind your bus pass, and require you to pay for your TV licence, it will start to sink into your skull that throwing your own country into penury because you don't like foreigners has some actual consequences outside of your UKIP meetings.

I fully agree we should reduce debt and devaluation is a good start.
The triple lock on state pensions should indeed be abolished and a fairer, more european system, implemented instead. Similarly the NHS ought to be restructured to be more like the European models.
Reducing the flood of young immigrants will raise the wages of the ordinary people of the UK and reduce house prices : obviously something the left will always oppose, as they need a poor unclass to vote for them.

setmefree2

Ballard wrote: »

We don't have the ability to vote out UK civil servants either. MPs don't actually write the laws of the country. They vote on them.

MPs are held accountable for our laws. Who are the EU commissionaires accountable to?

PS I have no idea why you are trying to defend the indefensible? Are you that desperate that you can't even acknowledge the EU's faults?

Ballard

setmefree2 wrote: »

MPs are held accountable for our laws. Who are the EU commissionaires accountable to?

PS I have no idea why you are trying to defend the indefensible? Are you that desperate that you can't even acknowledge the EU's faults?

I'm merely pointing out that the EU parliament and the UK version are actually very similar. We vote for members of both parliaments and both have 'faceless bureaucrats'. The argument that unelected officials are ruling the EU whereas this doesn't happen in London simply doesn't hold true.

For what it's worth I don't think that the EU is perfect. There's too much red tape and it is very expensive. I just happen to think that overall we would be better off staying in.

prosaver

Ballard wrote: »

We don't have the ability to vote out UK civil servants either. MPs don't actually write the laws of the country. They vote on them.

I think u dont understand the eu and what power they have.. we have no control on laws ..look it up

Ballard

prosaver wrote: »

I think u dont understand the eu and what power they have.. we have no control on laws ..look it up

I have looked it up...

https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/institutions-bodies/european-parliament_en

The European Parliament is the EU's law-making body. It is directly elected by EU voters every 5 years. The last elections were in May 2014.


What does the Parliament do?
The Parliament has 3 main roles:
Legislative
Passing EU laws, together with the Council of the EU, based on European Commission proposals
Deciding on international agreements
Deciding on enlargements
Reviewing the Commission's work programme and asking it to propose legislation
Supervisory
Democratic scrutiny of all EU institutions
Electing the Commission President and approving the Commission as a body. Possibility of voting a motion of censure, obliging the Commission to resign
Granting discharge, i.e. approving the way EU budgets have been spent
Examining citizens' petitions and setting up inquiries
Discussing monetary policy with the European Central Bank
Questioning Commission and Council
Election observations
Budgetary
Establishing the EU budget, together with the Council
Approving the EU's long-term budget, the "Multiannual Financial Framework"

CLAPTON

Ballard wrote: »

I have looked it up...

https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/institutions-bodies/european-parliament_en

The European Parliament is the EU's law-making body. It is directly elected by EU voters every 5 years. The last elections were in May 2014.


What does the Parliament do?
The Parliament has 3 main roles:
Legislative
Passing EU laws, together with the Council of the EU, based on European Commission proposals
Deciding on international agreements
Deciding on enlargements
Reviewing the Commission's work programme and asking it to propose legislation
Supervisory
Democratic scrutiny of all EU institutions
Electing the Commission President and approving the Commission as a body. Possibility of voting a motion of censure, obliging the Commission to resign
Granting discharge, i.e. approving the way EU budgets have been spent
Examining citizens' petitions and setting up inquiries
Discussing monetary policy with the European Central Bank
Questioning Commission and Council
Election observations
Budgetary
Establishing the EU budget, together with the Council
Approving the EU's long-term budget, the "Multiannual Financial Framework"

and you feel more connected to the EU parliament than you do to the UK parliament.

vivatifosi

setmefree2 wrote: »

But do people actually care....I'm not sure people are that shallow...

I think that depends on disposable income, rather than how shallow people are. If you were on a low income, and had, say, £5.00 per week left when you paid your bills, you would soon notice if food prices went up.

People on good wages with a comfort buffer will notice increase in prices for items with inelastic demand less. The poor will notice food and energy prices increasing more.

Ballard

CLAPTON wrote: »

and you feel more connected to the EU parliament than you do to the UK parliament.

That wasn't my point. I was simply pointing out that claiming that the EU parliament isn't democratic isn't actually looking at the facts. It is as democratic as the UK parliament but a lot of people seem to read the likes of The Daily Mail and listen to Farage and have been hoodwinked into believing that there's no democracy the other side of the channel. That simply isn't true.

I repeat that I don't think that the EU is at all perfect. It does have it's faults but having an undemocratic parliament isn't one of them.

lisyloo

setmefree2 wrote: »

Tea grown in Cornwall.

Very good, I didn't know that.
However 50g of loose leaf tea is £9.15 - very expensive.
How many people on low or even middle income families do you think can afford to prioritise principle over price.

I like a sparkling wine called chapel down which is made in England, but it's about £25-£30 a bottle.

It's great to highlight this issue but realistically I don't think most people could afford it.

CLAPTON

Ballard wrote: »

That wasn't my point. I was simply pointing out that claiming that the EU parliament isn't democratic isn't actually looking at the facts. It is as democratic as the UK parliament but a lot of people seem to read the likes of The Daily Mail and listen to Farage and have been hoodwinked into believing that there's no democracy the other side of the channel. That simply isn't true.

I repeat that I don't think that the EU is at all perfect. It does have it's faults but having an undemocratic parliament isn't one of them.

I think you do a dis-service to the people of the UK.

The overall EU system of government, doesn't allow me, as a citizen, to reasonably express by view in any meaningful way.
This can reasonably be described as a democrtaic deficit even if a small part of the process is in some way 'democratic'.