If we vote for Brexit what happens

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Ballard wrote: »

I'm not convinced that this approach would be a good move prior to the UK getting trade deals in place. It's not generally considered a good thing annoy someone before going into negotiations with them.

Uh-huh?
Please try telling Junckers, Tusk et al the same thing eh?

Conrad

Ballard wrote: »

I'm not convinced that this approach would be a good move prior to the UK getting trade deals in place. It's not generally considered a good thing annoy someone before going into negotiations with them.

Our Govt has been polite and measured, talking in terms of maintaining good relations, which stands in contrast to regular threatening language from the likes of Hollande.

Conrad

setmefree2 wrote: »

https://www.ft.com/content/1394c4da-97a7-11e6-a1dc-bdf38d484582


My conclusion is that both sides have an interest in a fair and square deal.

As was said so many times during the debate, core EU states have plenty to loose if trade is disrupted.


Once more we must remember we are not a weak petitioner.

Tromking

Conrad wrote: »

Our Govt has been polite and measured, talking in terms of maintaining good relations, which stands in contrast to regular threatening language from the likes of Hollande.

Quite true.
It won't suit the chosen narrative of the 'Remainiacs' but it won't have escaped the notice of any fair minded mainland European that the UK Government is acting in the way you describe.
The French Socialists are apparently nowhere in the polls for next years election, so Hollande and his attitude toward Brexit is becoming an irrelevance I would suggest. It`ll be interesting to see how the 'right wing' leaders feel about Brexit, no problem with Marine Le Pen of course but is the notorious Brit hater Sarkozy still in the running for next year?
I`m not sure his Republican party is going to gain much traction against the far right on a pro-EU fleece the Brits platform.

Conrad

wotsthat wrote: »

From being able to sculpt a great trade deal to not needing one in the space of a month.

On balance I suspect a good trading deal will be reached, and quickly, but I am always at pains to point out nations trade successfully with Europe without any trade deal at all.


Remoaners will just have to confront the fact it is in everyone's interests for EU - UK trade to remain un-hampered - it really is very simple.

Conrad

Ballard wrote: »

There's a huge difference between a business investing and a business not knowing how they can conduct business in the near future. Taking financial services as an example, they don't know what the rules will be with regards to trading with Europe and in all likelihood won't know for at least two years. They do know that if they relocate to Paris, Frankfurt or Dublin they will be able to continue to trade. It would seem prudent to explore such possibilities.

What you've done here again is equate being in the EU with no change, and purely a positive experience.


Once more you ignore all the downsides that moving into the EU could entail such as tougher more intrusive regulation and the fact future referendums could occur anywhere in the EU at any time.


Deep down UK business trusts UK decision making and knows trade will continue to be fruitful

Thrugelmir

gfplux wrote: »

I am trying to be objective as I observe the journey to Brexit.

You don't live and work here. So what are you are actually basing your objectivity on? What personal experiences?

As with life things evolve. Ultimately it's the people that will decide the direction that the UK goes in through individual actions not politicians.

TrickyTree83

BobQ wrote: »

Interesting argument. Is the UK's energy supply sovereign? Is its food supply sovereign? Is its steel supply sovereign? Is its supply of computers sovereign? Is our ability to defend ourselves sovereign?

Inside the EU = Not sovereign
Outside the EU = Not sovereign

Yeah, supply of resource is an indicator of sovereignty.

Did you also not read the definition?

Thrugelmir

Herzlos wrote: »

I'm on nowhere near a London salary, and if my job moved to Frankfurt, I'd definitely consider moving.

Why would your employer move you to Germany at a huge cost. Plenty of locals who could adequately perform your job. Is your German up to scratch? One thing to be a tourist, another to be in business.

Out,_Vile_Jelly

Britain is a country of mild weather, mild manners, not given to extremes. I suspect Brexit will result neither in a calamitous apocalypse nor glorious world domination. We'll muddle through and it'll be ok.