If we vote for Brexit what happens

ruggedtoast

CLAPTON wrote: »

oh dear, they do say that people who have can't relate to their mothers, do grow by with real and rather odd difficulties in later life.

Yeah, again if there is ever some kind of English translation of that I might be able to gather half a clue as to what you are talking about.

Conrad

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Varoufakis claims that May's Brexit team is composed of individuals with low IQs.

To be fair trying to find the high IQ Brexiter would be pretty challenging and she already has a lot on her plate.

Liberals are becoming ever more smug and sanctimonious, utter fools of course, few listen to them anymore

ruggedtoast

Farron blasts May's xenophobic Brexiteering as hate crimes perpetrated by Leave voting thugs skyrocket.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-theresa-may-partly-to-blame-for-rising-hate-crime-the-liberal-democrat-leader-tim-farron-will-a7376726.html

CLAPTON

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Farron blasts May's xenophobic Brexiteering as hate crimes perpetrated by Leave voting thugs skyrocket.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-theresa-may-partly-to-blame-for-rising-hate-crime-the-liberal-democrat-leader-tim-farron-will-a7376726.html

I guess you can always dream that Corbyn will one day be as successul as Farron

setmefree2

Conrad wrote: »

Notice how gradually more and more Remainers are changing thier narrative from one of denial to acceptance.

Many examples, such as today Hilary Benn three times saying "we are leaving", and with resigned acceptance simply stating MPs need input, BUT HE DID NOT SAY A VOTE.

Input simply means for example Remainers on Select Comittees which is fine by me

Yes I noticed this too. If we compare this to the 5 stages of Grief I think the majority are now reaching Acceptance.

I think this matters because if Article 5 goes to a vote in HoC it's going to be important.

stator

BobQ wrote: »

You mean like the Eire -UK is interconnected?

Not to the same extent.

setmefree2

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Varoufakis is not someone I'm particularly bothered by. Hardly made a success of reforming Greece did he. Kettle black springs to mind.

He's a fun guy, you can always rely on him to say something outrageous. Seems to spend most of his time in the UK these days. Maybe Corbyn will give him a knighthood and stick him in his shadow cabinet.

wotsthat

Conrad wrote: »

Yes at the route of the remainer blind spot is this idea the SM is absolutely necessary and good, totally ignoring he fact it's largel a vested interested protection racket for a few price inflating sectors, and really not required at all for trade, if it were you would not have masses of non EU products and services in your lives.

From being able to sculpt a great trade deal to not needing one in the space of a month.

The 'Brexit is good because it's Brexit' brigade are going to be really unhelpful when it comes to negotiating the best deal possible for the UK.

Time to implement some immigration cuts - hopefully enough of a sedative so we can get out of the EU with the least worst deal possible.

setmefree2

Britain and Europe share an interest in an amicable split
For the British, it would make sense to fast-track a free-trade agreement
Wolfgang Münchau

But the crisis is not serious because the divorce will be amicable. There are two reasons why I believe this will be so. The first is the national interest of the other 27 member states. The second is that, while a “hard Brexit” would hurt Britain, it could also knock the eurozone back into crisis. It would be a pointless double suicide.

I was looking at UK-German trade data and found something that surprised me. Germany is not only exporting more goods to the UK, which we knew; it also has a surplus in services, including finance, according to the Federal Statistics Office. UK services exports to Germany were €24bn in 2015, while the UK imported services of €41bn from Germany.

If a hard Brexit were to force the UK and the EU to impose quotas on traded goods and to suspend trade in most services, Germany would be harder hit than the UK. Now, it is true the UK stands to lose more in total because it also trades with 26 other EU countries. But each EU country looks at its own position separately. Each has a vote in the European Council.

The Germans have an interest in maintaining free trade in both goods and services. Most other EU countries would come to a similar conclusion once they calculate the implications a hard Brexit would have for them. We just cannot get around the fact that the UK had a current account deficit of more than 5 per cent of gross domestic product last year. Having an unsustainable external position is a rare benefit when you want to negotiate a trade deal.

It would be different if the EU had leaders who put the common interest before their own

If the Brexit negotiations get stuck — as they undoubtedly will at some point — we may find that macroeconomic considerations become more important. A hard Brexit may knock a couple of percentage points off UK gross domestic product but would presage a crisis in the EU. The total effect on GDP in the eurozone would be smaller but the dynamics may be worse. Brexit, for example, would risk pushing Italy into a recession, and that could trigger another financial crisis.

My conclusion is that both sides have an interest in a fair and square deal. The purpose of UK diplomacy in the next three years will be to remind the Europeans that the risks are more symmetrical than they think.

https://www.ft.com/content/1394c4da-97a7-11e6-a1dc-bdf38d484582

gfplux

gfplux wrote: »

a lot of negative Brexit story's in the Sunday newspapers. I am not going to post links as you all know what's in the newspapers.

What I was attempting to say and did VERY badly.
For the past four months MOST of the news has been Brexit
Positive.
That is the last 24/48 hours I thought I had noticed a slight shift.
OK if I was wrong no harm done.
I am trying to be objective as I observe the journey to Brexit.

Further, the fact that I live in Luxembourg seems to give some posters the right to bad mouth both the Country and me.
Perhaps confirming the feeling that SOME Britains don't like foreigners or ANYTHING foreign!