If we vote for Brexit what happens

mrginge

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Either the EU can force governments to comply or the EU can not force them to comply - Wallonia indicates the latter is true.

When a giant trade deal can be vetoed by a tiny Belgian province until it gets the changes it wants it makes a mockery of all the anti-EU rhetoric about loss of sovereignty and loss of control.

But yes, it also makes a mockery of the more panglossian and naive pro-Brexit posters who spent ages telling us the Uk could conclude a trade deal with the EU in just two years....

I'm sure the people of Scotland will be delighted to know that a vote for independence and a potential future in the EU is actually a vote for having part of Belgium dictating what Scotland can or can't do.

Conrad

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Either the EU can force governments to comply or the EU can not force them to comply - Wallonia indicates the latter is true.

When a giant trade deal can be vetoed by a tiny Belgian province until it gets the changes it wants it makes a mockery of all the anti-EU rhetoric about loss of sovereignty and loss of control.

But yes, it also makes a mockery of the more panglossian and naive pro-Brexit posters who spent ages telling us the Uk could conclude a trade deal with the EU in just two years....

UK trade is real and present and tens times greater than current Canadian trade, all will be well for certain. There is next to no chance the EU will hamper its existing trade with UK, another fundamental point you might wish to consider.

TrickyTree83

mrginge wrote: »

I'm sure the people of Scotland will be delighted to know that a vote for independence and a potential future in the EU is actually a vote for having part of Belgium dictating what Scotland can or can't do.

Mic drop moment right there.

Thrugelmir

When a giant trade deal can be vetoed by a tiny Belgian province until it gets the changes it wants it makes a mockery of all the anti-EU rhetoric about loss of sovereignty and loss of control.

Makes a mockery of the EU you mean. As there's no control. Just anarchy.

zagubov

mrginge wrote: »

I'm sure the people of Scotland will be delighted to know that a vote for independence and a potential future in the EU is actually a vote for having part of Belgium dictating what Scotland can or can't do.

And that equally Scotland will have power over what France, Italy and Germany want to do. :think:

Hmmm. Maybe EU membership might not be such a bad thing for iScotland.

Conrad

zagubov wrote: »

And that equally Scotland will have power over what France, Italy and Germany want to do. :think:

Hmmm. Maybe EU membership might not be such a bad thing for iScotland.

One big squabble club, no thanks

mrginge

zagubov wrote: »

And that equally Scotland will have power over what France, Italy and Germany want to do. :think:

Hmmm. Maybe EU membership might not be such a bad thing for iScotland.

That would be one hell of a campaign message.

'Vote independence - let's blackmail the Germans instead'

Not too sure how it would go down in the rest of the EU though.

TrickyTree83

mrginge wrote: »

That would be one hell of a campaign message.

'Vote independence - let's blackmail the Germans instead'

Not too sure how it would go down in the rest of the EU though.

Aren't they on about moving to qualified majority voting? In which case everyone will just tell Scotland how it's going down and that's that. With less input than they have at Westminster.

If so, great plan. It'd be funny if it didn't destroy lives in Scotland.

nkomp18

It's upsetting how dysfunctional the EU is in these matters. Wallonia with a population of 3.6m managed to put an end to a 7 year deal that would benefit 550m people.

But this is perhaps a glimpse of what awaits Teresa May when she tries to find the "best deal possible" and then Wallonia comes out and say "no". Since the EU puts democracy above the benefit of its trade agreements, it is very possible that the UK will end up striking no deal at all.

stator

Bit off topic, but are people like Sturgeon seriously suggesting that if the UK leaves the single market and trade barriers go up, that Scotland would be better off inside the EU, damaging trade between Scotland and the UK, than it would inside the UK and damaging trade between Scotland and the EU?
I can't believe that anyone would even suggest that the Scottish economy isn't intertwinned with the rest of the UK