If we vote for Brexit what happens

mayonnaise

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

I see no problem with FoM so long as we're free of the political union and able to free trade both with the EU and the rest of the world, EEA/EFTA is fine by me.

Fine by me too.
One can assume fine for the 48% remain voters also.
And fine for a sizeable proportion of leave voters.
That's a majority then. The claptons and conrads of this world will just have to suck it up.
I love democracy. :beer:

setmefree2

Herzlos wrote: »

That's just political points-scoring between the ultra-convservatives and was scrapped about 2 days after it was proposed.

Those views exist....It's no wonder Poles don't want to live there. That and this:-

Russia deploys nuclear-capable missiles in Kaliningrad

That Polish woman on QT has forgotten what a real Polish problem looks like....

Herzlos

setmefree2 wrote: »

Those views exist....It's no wonder Poles don't want to live there. That and this:-

Ah, ok. When someone comes out with a crazy idea in the UK then it's written off as a one-off, but when someone does it in Poland it's indicative of a trend? Sounds about right.

setmefree2

WTO's Azevedo says Britain's WTO terms will depend on nature of EU divorce

"A lot will depend on the terms of separation in the negotiations between the UK and the EU. That may have a positive impact on how the other WTO members view this or not.
"I don't think the global economy at this point in time can afford the luxury of more turbulence. The less turbulence we have the better. The quicker trade relations are established between the UK, the EU and other WTO members, the better."

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-wto-idUKKCN12L0UL

Conrad

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

I've always been behind Daniel Hannan's views on the referendum pre and post.

I see no problem with FoM so long as we're free of the political union and able to free trade both with the EU and the rest of the world, EEA/EFTA is fine by me.

I've no problem with immigration, as long as well managed, targeted and proportionate, I reckon most people would be behind that.


I cant see full FOM being acceptable, we're back to square one, and sowing more discontent as a mass of cheap workers pour in to the benefit of some and the detriment of others, not to mention the fact any amount of accelerated house and school building will simply attract even more migrants to the shiny resources, and so we solve nothing and end up with ever more pressure and congestion.

setmefree2

Herzlos wrote: »

Ah, ok. When someone comes out with a crazy idea in the UK then it's written off as a one-off, but when someone does it in Poland it's indicative of a trend? Sounds about right.

Hardly "someone"...

Ruling PiS party committed to law banning most terminations and making maximum jail term for practitioners five years

Rightwing lawmakers are pushing ahead with a near-total ban on abortion in devoutly Catholic Poland, while rejecting a rival bid to liberalise an existing law which is already among the most restrictive in Europe.

The governing conservative Law and Justice (PiS) party, which controls parliament, has sent to committee a bill that would allow terminations only if the mother’s life was at risk, and increase the maximum jail term for practitioners from two years to five.

The citizen’s initiative tabled in parliament by the Stop Abortion coalition would also make mothers liable to prison terms, though judges could waive punishment.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/23/polish-lawmakers-anti-abortion-bill

Conrad

setmefree2 wrote: »

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-wto-idUKKCN12L0UL

More here;


WTO CLARITY FROM A FORMER WTO DIRECTOR;


Richard Eglin to the House of Lords Select Committee enquiry on ‘Brexit: future trade between the UK and the EU’ on 8 September 2016 are of particular value.


Eglin served for over 20 years as a Director in the WTO Secretariat. He said that so long as the UK maintained the same tariff schedule as that of the EU, there would not be any great difficulty in what he called ‘a rectification of the schedule’. Certain matters, such as the agricultural quotas, would have to be negotiated, but there would be no breakdown in trade (Question 3, p. 7):


Chaos would break out if anybody were to suggest that the UK does not have a schedule and therefore they will not trade with the UK. It would be absolute pandemonium. It is not going to happen. The reality is that it is a matter of negotiation. It could take years before the schedule is actually certified by consensus, as you say, but in that period we would continue to trade on the terms in which we proposed we should trade, as long as they were reasonable. … As long as it is reasonable, I see no problem whatever.

StevieJ

Conrad wrote: »

Leading Remain and Leave campaigners confirming we would be voting to leave the SINGLE MARKET, prior to the vote;


42.35

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b080cngz/daily-politics-21102016

No one told Daniel Hannon then :-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5jTRoySFfo

TrickyTree83

Conrad wrote: »

I've no problem with immigration, as long as well managed, targeted and proportionate, I reckon most people would be behind that.


I cant see full FOM being acceptable, we're back to square one, and sowing more discontent as a mass of cheap workers pour in to the benefit of some and the detriment of others

If the Swiss can put restrictions on 'local jobs for local people' (which is a bit Royston Vasey) then that will open up the ability to legislate within the EEA/EFTA to, if not control migration, control employment and possibly also welfare.

Given the sentiment towards the EU here and across the continent at the moment I don't think we'll see much more acceptance of EU policy being dictatorial as it is now, they'll need to be much more flexible in future.

If the UK wants change, the Swiss want change, the French maybe and possibly also the Italians. It will require as Teresa May aptly put it 'give and take' for the best possible outcome.

StevieJ

Herzlos wrote: »

Alas, that's not what was written on the ballot paper.

Maybe we can have a referendum with it written on?