If we vote for Brexit what happens

prosaver

cells wrote: »

those figures are very misleading, whats more important is long term unemployment those unemployed for 12 months or more

If you are unemployed for 2 weeks that surely is not the same thing as being 'truly unemployed'

The figure for longer term unemployment in the UK is close to 1% now

sorry dont know what you mean ?..so this means these figures are not "the truely unemployed" http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37701672
btw..not trying to be funny or anything ..

The_Last_Username

cells wrote: »

lift those barriers and you will see less sugar produced in the EU and more imported. double true for the UK
But despite your "thoughts" the likelihood of fields laying fallow is?
Yup, approximately zero.
Alternative (and very probably more-profitable) crops will instead be grown.
so what is your argument? that we would import cheap sugar from brazil or not? if we do what happens to the balance of trade and domestic production both of farmers and beet processors in the uk?
See above. Sugar imports increase BUT imports of (say, just for example) new potatoes from Egypt and veg. from Spain decreases.
Did you not read about processors? Who will process other things (like just maybe cane) instead?
do you know their business better than them?
Did you read the link I posted with details from beet farmers?

If we import out sugar that means no beet farmers, they may instead plant wheat. But if we import more wheat...well you will argue that they might plant oil plants like rapeseed...what if we import more oils? The EU polcies are to encourage domestic farming and production without them we will have less. you cant make some silly argument of oh dont worry will will import cheap sugar but the farmerss will just grow more cabbages
Just as you can't persist with your "silly argument" of all these "what if's" you mean?
YOU may think we will have less domestic farming but in fact it is the EU that has been determined to reduce UK farming.
really seriously?
Oh look, read this from George Eustice who is The Minister Of State For Farming.
I do not mean to offend BUT I would trust his POV above that of a faceless internet forum poster.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/environment/12169948/Britains-farms-would-thrive-outside-of-the-EU.html

The uk is a high wage, high land price country. There is no doubt in my mind if we did free trade max and no farming subsidies we will see the farming sector shrink considerably. It wont disappear but it will shrink

Responses highlighted in red above.

Do you seriously envisage fields laying empty?
Despite all the above?
Then you are in a minority.
And (presumably) yet another determined to forecast the worst for our country despite not only belief but evidence to the contrary.

buglawton

Conrad wrote: »

I enjoyed your post.

Ok lets start with your key theme, peace.

I do not for a moment feel peace is compromised, we remain core NATO ......
.....*yes I know other global body rules will still apply - I can live with that though

Good post, when does it come out in paperback?
But about your sig, didn't the EU-Canada deal just crash on the rocks?

mrginge

prosaver wrote: »

sorry dont know what you mean ?..so this means these figures are not "the truely unemployed" http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37701672
btw..not trying to be funny or anything ..

cells thinks that people who are not unemployed for a year are not unemployed.

Cells thinks that everyone who used to work for BHS but is now on the dole is not unemployed.

Cells thinks that a person who is out of work for nine months, gets a job for a month, jacks it and spends another nine months on the dole, gets another job for a month, jacks it ...etc. is never unemployed.

Cells also thinks that everyone can afford to buy a house, that there is no shortage of housing in the U.K. , that you make poor people richer by taking their employment opportunities away from them, and that one day Elvis will return in a gold plated robin reliant.

Cells needs to seek medical help.

prosaver

mrginge wrote: »

cells thinks that people who are not unemployed for a year are not unemployed.

Cells thinks that everyone who used to work for BHS but is now on the dole is not unemployed.

Cells thinks that a person who is out of work for nine months, gets a job for a month, jacks it and spends another nine months on the dole, gets another job for a month, jacks it ...etc. is never unemployed.

Cells also thinks that everyone can afford to buy a house, that there is no shortage of housing in the U.K. , that you make poor people richer by taking their employment opportunities away from them, and that one day Elvis will return in a gold plated robin reliant.

Cells needs to seek medical help.

thanks .........................

Yamumuk

I just watched some debate/discussion on "The Brexit Effect" on the BBC just now. The Irish politician or ex politician failed to mince his words in response. Old wounds weeping already.

I still conclude that Brexit is going to be the worst thing to happen to the UK since the second world war.

We are going to get hung, drawn and quartered. We have muppets voting for muppets. We are going to be totally and utterly screwed. If people who voted Brexit still think this is going to end well you are severely deluded. We are now going watch this country dismantled, screw by screw as the years go by.

cells

prosaver wrote: »

sorry dont know what you mean ?..so this means these figures are not "the truely unemployed" http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37701672
btw..not trying to be funny or anything ..

the current 4.9% headline unemployment figure is for all unemployment. The actual figures for the most recent data actually break down like this

0.962 million unemployed for 0-6 months
0.251 million unemployed for 6-12 months
0.197 million unemployed for 12-24 months
0.246 million unemployed for 24+ months

The total figure is 1.656 million which works out to 4.9% unemployed


I think its better to quote the unemployed for 6 months or more. Or best of all the media should quote it all

Unemployment in the UK is
1.3% unemployed for 12+ months
2.0% unemployed for 6+ months
4.9% unemployed for 1 day+

BobQ

Thrugelmir wrote: »

That's opinion not fact and misses the point that Brexit wasn't political. It was a rejection by the average Joe Public of the culture being created by the EU political vision. Unlike the EU , Governments are accountable and can be voted out at least every 5 years. Impose rules on people i.e. uncontrolled immigration and you'll get their backs up. That's human nature.

This is true in terms of the campaign, but the implementation of that decision and the interpretation of what people voted for is political.

The EU, whatever its faults, has been successfully sold to Joe Public as a symbol of whatever they thought was wrong with the world or their life. I suspect that many of them will eventually realise that leaving the EU was not the solution to their particular problem.

CLAPTON

BobQ wrote: »

This is true in terms of the campaign, but the implementation of that decision and the interpretation of what people voted for is political.

The EU, whatever its faults, has been successfully sold to Joe Public as a symbol of whatever they thought was wrong with the world or their life. I suspect that many of them will eventually realise that leaving the EU was not the solution to their particular problem.

everyone has been 'sold' a false story except people that agree with you
of course..............

Herzlos

Thrugelmir wrote: »

That's opinion not fact and misses the point that Brexit wasn't political. It was a rejection by the average Joe Public of the culture being created by the EU political vision. Unlike the EU , Governments are accountable and can be voted out at least every 5 years. Impose rules on people i.e. uncontrolled immigration and you'll get their backs up. That's human nature.

In what way is Westminster more accountable than the EU?