If we vote for Brexit what happens

Conrad

cells wrote: »

foreigners adopt British kids too just as the British adopt non-white 'foreign' children

How many Bishops have sent out a media call announcing British care home kids can come live with them in places such as Lambeth Palace?

Thousands of kids languish in state care, lets address their needs for adoption and services before we import masses more immigrants thanks and crying on TV in Calais to boost ones status. France is a safe nation.

cells

Conrad wrote: »

We've had many millions of immigrant the last 40 years, a good many claiming asylum. Germany has a long way to go before it gets as many Luton's and Birmingham's as us. Germany shows a better propensity to returning spongers and fake refugees. Far harder to claim a mass of benefits there. No free world health system there for the worlds cheats to abuse

Germany 12.8% foreign born uk 12.3%

The NHS is primarily an old peoples care institution. The young who might go to the NHS once a year for a GP to prescribe them a paracetamol hardly cost anything. Im not that young and over the last 10 years I;ve probably only taken up 1 hour of a GPs time which is probably less than £100 cost or £10 per year. As a total guess its probably something like 10% of the population use up 90% of the NHS resources

cells

Conrad wrote: »

How many Bishops have sent out a media call announcing British care home kids can come live with them in places such as Lambeth Palace?

Thousands of kids languish in state care, lets address their needs for adoption and services before we import masses more immigrants thanks and crying on TV in Calais to boost ones status. France is a safe nation.

so do foreign born adults in the UK never adopt British children and give them good quality lives?

Herzlos

Conrad wrote: »

We've had many millions of immigrant the last 40 years, a good many claiming asylum

Sorry, I thought we were talking about refugees (and Syrians in general). Yeah, there are millions of non-britons living in the UK, just as there are millions of Brits living outside of the UK. Depending on how far back you want to go to claim someone is a native, there are probably less than 1% actual British natives actually living here (since we're mostly French / Danish / Scandinavian migrants).

The British always step up to the plate when it comes to big emergency charity appeals and we give nearly 1% of our entire GDP to foreign aid

The British response to the refugee crisis has been an international joke. We've done essentially nothing. Though now we've started building a fence round Calais.

Conrad

cells wrote: »

Germany 12.8% foreign born uk 12.3%

The NHS is primarily an old peoples care institution. The young who might go to the NHS once a year for a GP to prescribe them a paracetamol hardly cost anything. Im not that young and over the last 10 years I;ve probably only taken up 1 hour of a GPs time which is probably less than £100 cost or £10 per year. As a total guess its probably something like 10% of the population use up 90% of the NHS resources

Yea, yeah we must import Humans ad-infenitum, have ever more noise, congestion and pressures, brilliant, what a prospect.


Do you ever stop to wonder at the mass of Humanity and it's impacts all around you? Been to Heathrow lately - the M25 is always rammed, and will only get worse with more Humans imported, more runways needed and so on.


You seem to have a very narrow focus on whats important in life Cells


What would Britain be like 100 years from now under your model? What about 500 years - when is enough enough?

cells

Conrad wrote: »

If you think Britain is divided and lurching to the right now, just see what happens if the establishment Men in wigs and stockings find ways to keep us effectively in the EU


Remember the entire establishment, heads of Government, IMF, ONS, Big banks, The Church, NGO's, most of the TV media, BOE, Treasure and PM backed by Government tried to bulldoze us into remain.


This really is a ground up peoples revolt, and the leave vote would have been stronger in the event the entire establishment
had not ganged up.

on both sides I think the majority were weak voters.

So maybe 10% voted stay and strongly believed so, 10% voted leave and strongly believed so while 80% of voters just voted and did not strongly believe in one side or the other. I was probably one of them I voted stay but not strongly so and of course a huge number of people did not vote at all for various reasons eg my own parents and brother didn't vote whereas they usually do in a GE

So if brexit does not happen some 10% of Brexit voters will be !!!!ed off

Herzlos

Conrad wrote: »

How many Bishops have sent out a media call announcing British care home kids can come live with them in places such as Lambeth Palace?

How many of those kids are living in an overcrowded slum with no access to clean clothing or running water, having lost everything they knew in a warzone?

Sure, there are British kids in care homes, which is a tragedy, but it's not even on the same playing field as war-refugees.

cells

Conrad wrote: »

Yea, yeah we must import Humans ad-infenitum, have ever more noise, congestion and pressures, brilliant, what a prospect.

My post said none of those things it only corrected your assertion that germany has not as many migrants, and that young migrants cost the NHS a lot. Both of which are wrong. You should just accept that than go on a rant about something else

Do you ever stop to wonder at the mass of Humanity and it's impacts all around you? Been to Heathrow lately - the M25 is always rammed, and will only get worse with more Humans imported, more runways needed and so on.

I dont think so.
Also there are more brits and their descendants abroad than there are foreigners here. If we had not exported so many brits to Australia the USA and other places over the last 200 years we would possibly be a nation of over 100 million right now

What would Britain be like 100 years from now under your model? What about 500 years - when is enough enough?

I would be happy for the UK to go to 100 million I do not think that would be a negative of course it would only be possible at 1% or less pa

Yamumuk

I agree this is a bit lofty and worrying and I know deep down all political persuasions understand this to be a fact rather than fiction. Even the deniers, just a way to protect wealth as it stands.

I still completely disagree that Brexit will help this country in any way. It is merely a harking back to the historic bad old days, a falsely perceived sense of superiority over others, highlighted by a world that depends more greatly on each other for resources trade etc. (Peak phosphorus/oil/ eventually fresh water). Capitalism is on the back foot, it seems to be failing and showing cracks, government and the E.U., are in my opinion trying to hold this together. It relies on extraction and movement of resources from the very crust of the planet we live on. A direct correlation. Capitalism seems to rely on constant growth. For everyone on the planet to live like we do in the west we need 3 x planet earth's.

That leaves us with 2 options. The rich manage or we all live a comfortable but more modest lifestyle and come together. I believe in coming together not separating, that is the choice for the future as a species. How this is going to happen I cannot even begin to imagine but it is important food for thought.

The multi pronged threats of rising population, artificial intelligence, economic decay and eventual collapse, loss of scarce resources that sustain life, global warming, (this is so serious it will defnitely be part of the collapse of society globally as we know it)

It will be a slowly progressing demise over 5-10-15-20 years, there will be changes big and small along the way depending on events but it won't be pretty and it will be a long painful process especially for the poor.

The bigger picture is it is probably better to cooperate than not in the longer term future.

With Brexit I find it hard to accept that we are the only country thus far to allow the small end of a wedge to be applied to allow back door fascism. Make no mistake UKIP and those associated know much more clearly what their true politcal core represents than a few smily faces and sound bites/interviews etc would let you understand. They choose words carefully. Brexit is the sign of a country closing down and closing up.

May knows she has to stop UKIP and placate the Brexit voters. I hope she understand the true nature of the threat despite parliament never mentioning the word openly. They simply do not want to understand that it exists and are in a state of denial.

Fascism defined:

"A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism."

Taken to its conclusion we know it is about identifying a false cause, instilling fear and anger in the population and eradicating the people concerned.

Other governments across Europe have similar political stances and more commonly opposition political parties and are gaining momentum. It's real and up to us to ensure a foothold does not take place. We should remember our forefathers and what they fought for and remain tolerant and open. Not shutting the U.K. down.

If fascism does take grip in the not too distant future there will multiple countries following a nationalist agenda, closing up and looking out for themselves as countries possibly alone outside the E.U. Anyone with an ounce of sense can see that greater separation economically, militarily, politically with a nationalistic self serving outlook creates suspicion, tension, political conflict, sanctions and ultimately a greater risk of war.

See it for what it really is, you do not have to look that far of where things are heading.


Every now and then I wonder to myself, I am completely wrong on this matter ? Maybe I am totally wrong about Brexit and again and again I keep remembering what peace means. I do question myself as I am sure do many remainers. We ask if Brexiter knows more than we do about economics ? We even admire/rightly or wrongly your unshaking confidence in the country as an independent state. Conjecture is bascially what we have and remianers I think mainly felt things are pretty damn good right now and that is something worth retaining. What more do we actually require to be happy and is it directly the E.U.'s fault that this "missing" aspect that we are somehow owed ? Myself, I don't know what it is that is being missed, I am fairly happy, normal, getting by/ I drive an old car live in a basic house, have my health and eat as well I need and want. I am, not rich and never will be. If you voted Brexit you need to drill down. Is it really the E.U.'s fault you do not have what you perceive you need ? It is critical you do this and conclude now even if you did not give thought before voting out. There is much at stake. After all this I keep coming back to one point and that is peace is all. Without it we have nothing and sometimes it is worth aceepting annoyances for the greater good, that which is most important to everyone, not just you or me, but everyone here in the U.K. and elsewhere.

It is everything, sometimes you have to sacrifice annoyances to save what is of greatest importance.

There is more to this life than money alone. Without freedom and peace, emotional comfort and stability and health, money means so much less.

Thrugelmir

Yamumuk wrote: »

There is more to this life than money alone. Without freedom and peace, emotional comfort and stability and health, money means so much less.

The EU appears to be falling on all these counts. With huge resentment bubbling under.