Help Needed regarding APNR ltd appeal

chrisc123

UPDATE:

Hi all, I have just received a reply from APNR ltd. I'm unable to attach because I am a new user, but here is the majority of what it says:

Having read your, and taking into consideration your comment 'the letting agents have permission from the landlord to be on the property', along with our photographic evidence, all goes towards confirming the incident and actually weakens any argument you may have considered you had. Please allow me to explain:- goes onto explain the format of the ticket reference number...

The generic definition of the infringement 'Not displaying in the windscreen a current or valid permit is as follows;- the only way to determine who has permission to park is by displaying a current and valid permit. Once a permit scheme is introduced it applies to all and is for the benefit of the community.

Furthermore, you will not from both our signs that we mention that a contract exists between ourselves and the proprietor. We are paid to deter and not to chastise, and this fee helps prove that damages are being caused. You many also note that companies similar to ours and now refrain from using the words Penalty or Fine - they now use words like Fees, Charge, Compensation and Damages. You have caused a breach of the aforementioned contract and therefore we seek liquidated damages (LD) as compensation. The fee is seen as compensation for trespass (distress damage feasnt) not a fine or penalty, and you consented to the risk of a PCN by your actions (Volenti~Non~Fit~Injuria). Similar examples of Volenti include 'warning hot surface', 'please remain seated until the vehicle comes to a halt', 'slippery or wet floor' etc.

In light of the above, perhaps you will understand why the PCN was issued, and although I really do sympathise, I must stress that we are contracted by the landowner to enforce the terms & conditions that are stated on the signage at the location, and in these circumstance they have been breached. We would hope this letter clarifies the situation and helps you to re-consider your claim, as to progress any appeal would nullify and discounts that remain and (should you lose) may incur further costs. I have decided to extend the discounted period for a further 14 days from the date of this letter for you to make payment at the reduced rate of £50. If you exceed this time you will revert back to the full price of £100. However, if you still feel that you have a valid case, may we suggest you seek legal advice before attending the Small Claims Court, Signed N. Martin.

Clearly playing hardball. Seems like a pretty generic reply to me too as I have seen very similar replies posted on these forums. I still feel like I have a case (viewing a flat to rent). Any advice on what to do next?

bod1467

Trevor is a clown. Don't give him any undeserved credence.

I see the mythical N. Martin is still around.

enfield_freddy

thank N Martin , (who knows the car park "personally" ,and suggest that he might want to represent the company in court , where both he and his company will be laughed at.


only the owner of the land can bring a charge for trespass (hello ANPR <the Company>)


bringing a claim in The Companies own name would be illegal




second thoughts , don,t reply , continue harassing the land owner to a point that he says it was wrong , and will attempt to get it quashed.


point out that if "The Company" tries court , they would in either of 2 positions


1: agreeing with < the Company> , but allowing an illegal act to happen


2: disagree with <the Company> and not allow him to bring charges


be aware that this shady <company> has done some very funny things regarding court papers in the past , <the company> has issued papers written by <the company> to intimidate people

<the Company>
has managed to get the address amended on papers so that they fail to appear , <the company> has gone for defaults , then pressured the court for a 14 day payout


laugh , but watch over your shoulder , especially as you may be moving house and not have mail forwarding

ManxRed

So, Trev believes that the ONLY way to determine who has permission to park there is via a permit scheme.

What about a white list? Or does he not hold a patent for that?? (to the OP, the patent reference is a bit of an in-joke, but the point still stands).

He is talking a load of rubbish to try and baffle you into thinking he's right.

There's NO WAY he'll take this to court. You could sell tickets on here and recoup any money he ever tried to sue you for three times over.

enfield_freddy

<the company> has attempted and succeeded with a case on pepipoo , however as for the "stay" it all went quiet.


to the OP


I managed to get "trevor Whitehouse" the owner of ANPR Ltd *** kicked off 7 car parks in Preston Lancs , after being kicked out of the BPA the joined the "credit services Assoc" to try and "con" preston counsil that he was a member of a recognised ATA , hell he even had me arrested and formally charged with "harassing him" (charge dropped after false caution) , I regularly receive threatening calls late at night ,


*** ANPR Ltd , formally National clamps


T Whitehouse is recognised as the designer of the mosern wheel clamp (wiki), he ran a profitably company nationwide until the introduction of the POFa 2012.


he tried to take the government to court
he tried to start his own ATA


he annoyed the BPA , by total disrespect of the law that after 2 yrs , they finally booted him out , with 16 sanction points (12 is die)




word is spreading to car park owner all over England about him , and his activities<of his company> and is quickly loosing contracts


with no access to the DVLA , <the company> is just managing to carry on , hoping that people will ring his local rate number and give there details.


laugh , but watch over your shoulder , harass the landowner and harass even more , you were INVITED there , that is not trespass!!

chrisc123

So it seems my next step should be with the landlord. Will let you guys know how I get on.

enfield_freddy

you need to get on to the landlord NOW , ask him if HE gave them permission , if not WHO signed a contract with this scum


point out , in fact tell the landlord about this companies tactics and tell him he is dealing with the unscupalous , if its not sorted , then you will require HIM in court !!


don,t ask TELL HIM


do not take no for an answer , all on paper for posterity.


you want him to say (if he hired them) that they should not have ticketed you ,as you were invited to view the property , this will look VERY good , as the muppet whilst breaking the law in court cannot (for the second reason) continue with his case if his employer says no

chrisc123

do not take no for an answer , all on paper for posterity.

I'm sure this is the part that will slow it all down. I've been on to the letting agents already to get some contact details. Will get back onto them tomorrow.

enfield_freddy

chrisc123 wrote: »

I'm sure this is the part that will slow it all down. I've been on to the letting agents already to get some contact details. Will get back onto them tomorrow.

you are there potential customer , they put you in this position , its going to cost them £100 , because they INVITED you with permission of the landowner , photocopy the "invoice" and chuck it on there desk ,


unless its sorted , you will take them to the CC , and move your flat looking elsewhere ,

esmerobbo

After reading that I assume the "N" in N Martin is for NUMBSKULL, what a load of cobblers.