Motorbiker punched off my wing mirror deliberately - What can I do?

Herzlos

enfield_freddy wrote: »

do you know the OP in person?

Do you? Do I need to? Does it make any difference?

the OP pulled across the path of an oncoming vehicle END OFF

Well, no, because whilst that might have happened, it doesn't sound like it. Even if it did the vandalism isn't justified. Hopefully the biker gets prosecuted so he'll keep his anger problems in check.

Assuming the OP's story is correct; the biker was going too fast (at least for the conditions - he couldn't see round the corner either), and shouldn't have damaged the OP's car. END OF.

the OP would have written a different story , if the vehicle in question had have been a HGV complying with the speed limits , and he was now in hospital

You mean "I turned right out of a road, an HGV came round the corner and missed my by 400yds, I went for a scone at the local garden centre"?

It's not too late to concede that the biker might not be perfect. I've got a meeting in 4 hours so can't be bothered keeping this up.

londonTiger

Lifes_Grand_Plan wrote: »

Given the independent witness, I would say you have a pretty good chance of claiming off his insurance. Not sure the cops well do much though.

why not, it's criminal damage. It's a crime, not a injury-less rta which the police aren't concerned with.

bazster

enfield_freddy wrote: »

yes Bazster , we have all seen the footage of drunken youths on mopeds in Holland doing 25mph , you mention a mobile phone on a bike? , had he taken his helmet off or was he just using Bluetooth and bashing himself on the ear when he wanted to make a call?

Read what I said. He was texting. Most people do that with their thumb not their head, although I can imagine you with your 'phone in your hand, headbutting it. Perhaps that's why your spelling is so dreadful.

Or in your strange fantasy work is it OK for people to send text messages whilst riding a bike?

You don't need to go to Holland to see people being idiots on bikes, a few hours on my local roads will inevitably reveal several examples - including hordes of brats on scooters in the town centre of an evening, mostly with their skid lids illegally perched on top of their heads instead of being worn properly (and fastened) as required by law. Why do they do that? I'm guessing it's so they can use their stolen iPhones whilst riding.

IamNotAllowedToUseMyName

The principle motorcyclists and drivers are taught on advanced driving courses is to drive at the speed that they can stop in, and there are some tricks to estimate that. So my reaction to this in the first instance is that the motorcyclist, when being faced with a car turning across his path having come around a bend at speed has not been riding to the road conditions.

However, without knowledge of the junction, it is hard to know whether this is extreme carelessness by the biker, or whether it is one of those junctions where you question the wisdom of even trying to turn right as you are turning blind. As the LA haven't banned right turns, one assumes that it is not so dangerous.

Of course, with these junctions, you never really know whether the person will be coming at a sensible speed or not, so for the time being I'd go with the assumption that the driver was genuinely aggrieved that they made a careful turn and were faced with a careless rider. With that assumption, I'd be off to the police to claim criminal damage. The likely outcome is that there would be no action but they would ask that the other party pay for the damage, apologise and everyone moves on.

bazster

enfield_freddy wrote: »

the OP pulled across the path of an oncoming vehicle END OFF

"END OFF" yourself. You know nothing about it and are fantasising.

enfield_freddy

Herzlos wrote: »

Do you? Do I need to? Does it make any difference?


Well, no, because whilst that might have happened, it doesn't sound like it. Even if it did the vandalism isn't justified. Hopefully the biker gets prosecuted so he'll keep his anger problems in check.

Assuming the OP's story is correct; the biker was going too fast (at least for the conditions - he couldn't see round the corner either), and shouldn't have damaged the OP's car. END OF.

You mean "I turned right out of a road, an HGV came round the corner and missed my by 400yds, I went for a scone at the local garden centre"?

It's not too late to concede that the biker might not be perfect. I've got a meeting in 4 hours so can't be bothered keeping this up.

mmm , 400 yds , hell that motorcyclist must have been riding at over 160mph to cover that distance so quickly.


as stated (above) perhaps the motorcyclist should not have used physical violence , but perhaps the OP was not cooperative and could not see that he had caused a problem by crossing in front of an on coming vehicle , had he have got out of the vehicle or lowered his window and engaged in conversation , perhaps the damage would have not happened

londonTiger

You can pull out of a junction slowly and with caution where situation requires it.

Case in point. Poor visibility. I was driving in a !!!!!! area with narrow roads and lots of houses and every house has 2+ cars.

Well I was pulling out of a junction onto a main road to turn right. White van was parked on the main road exactly on the corner of the junction completely blocking my view. I proceed slowly every 4-5 seconds driving at 1mph or less to get a better view. I was maybe 3/4 into lane one and stationary and then a motorbike rider stops right in front of me and gives me a stupid look like Im sort of a motobike driver murderer or something.

Guy was a complete idiot. Typical motorbike rider who only sees the road from their POV. If he had any common sense he would know the dangers of these types of roads and should know that I'm perfectly entitled to crawl forwards if my view is blocked.

bazster

enfield_freddy wrote: »

mmm , 400 yds , hell that motorcyclist must have been riding at over 160mph to cover that distance so quickly.


as stated (above) perhaps the motorcyclist should not have used physical violence , but perhaps the OP was not cooperative and could not see that he had caused a problem by crossing in front of an on coming vehicle , had he have got out of the vehicle or lowered his window and engaged in conversation , perhaps the damage would have not happened

"Perhaps" is all you've got.

Herzlos

enfield_freddy wrote: »

mmm , 400 yds , hell that motorcyclist must have been riding at over 160mph to cover that distance so quickly.

Nice of you to completely miss the point. Drop it to 200yds and the biker could have easily been doing 80mph on a country road. Not that any biker in the history of motorized transport has ever exceeded the posted limit.

as stated (above) perhaps the motorcyclist should not have used physical violence , but perhaps the OP was not cooperative and could not see that he had caused a problem by crossing in front of an on coming vehicle , had he have got out of the vehicle or lowered his window and engaged in conversation , perhaps the damage would have not happened

Sounds a lot like victim blaming. It's the drivers fault that he nice biker took off his wing mirror? Nonsense. Nothing the driver did at any point justified the bikers reaction.

You're still assuming the driver drove across the bikes path due to not seeing the driver, and ignoring the fact that even if that happened, the biker should have been driving at a suitable speed for the conditions there would have been no near miss.

dannyrst

I think most people seem to be missing the point here.

Regardless of who is at fault for pulling infront of who and who was speeding and who was indicating etc etc. The biker took it upon himself to cause criminal damage to someone elses property.

In no case should anyone condone threatening and violent behavior on the road. End of.