Motorbiker punched off my wing mirror deliberately - What can I do?

Norman_Castle

enfield_freddy wrote: »

we are only hearing one side of the story .

We've heard the op's side of the story and your side, despite the fact you weren't there!.

Herzlos

enfield_freddy wrote: »

about almost being killed by a motorist that had not assessed the road and traffic whilst doing a manoeuvre

Quite the assumption there. IF that'd happened, I agree with you, up until...

then I would not blame him.

...this. So you think punching off the wing mirror was perfectly acceptable? What if he'd got off and stabbed his tyres and smashed the windscreen too?

people in "cages"

Ah, ok. The biker can never be in the wrong then, because they are so enlightened?

the motorcyclist would not have changed his journey , and gone onto a side road to follow the OP , if this had been a minor problem

Really? I'm not sure that road-rage can ever be described as rational. Plenty of people go in wrong go on the offensive when they've been caught out being wrong. Particularly if it involved adrenalin.

Nothing is this account indicates that the driver did anything wrong; the view was clear when they started the manoeuvre, and a bike came into view mid manoeuvre whilst travelling too fast. Most likely the bikers fault for driving faster than they can see - what would have happened if he was a tractor or broken down vehicle in the lane instead?

Next, the biker (probably in the wrong) chased the driver and vandalized the car. No matter what happened in the previous incident the biker is a criminal and a thug and loses any kind of moral high ground or sympathy.

People should definitely be more aware of bikers, but bikers should also be more aware of their surroundings. I bet you wouldn't be defending the biker if he was in a "cage".

bazster

enfield_freddy wrote: »

no but as a motorcyclist , I do have a large pair of boots that I use on "ossers that don,t look out for cyclists and motorcyclidts

Yeah right...

bazster

enfield_freddy wrote: »

bikers , your words not mine , do not use there mobile phones

This simply isn't true. I once followed a guy on a bike, on a country 'A' road, who was riding at about 25 m.p.h., weaving all over the road, with his 'phone in his hand whilst sending and/or reading text messages.

You make yourself look ridiculous with this "bikers can do no wrong, it's all the fault of the nasty cagers" attitude.

Herzlos

enfield_freddy wrote: »

I have not set myself up as prosecuting counsel , and regarding turning right without being certain that there are no oncoming vehicles , good question , do you pull flick a coin and then just pull across?

If it's clear, you go.

the OP has not confirmed the location of the side road

Just that a biker appeared from nowhere.

indeed returned to answer the question of what the speed limit was

Does it matter?

being a skilled person and seeing a thin object coming towards him , he was quick enough to say he was speeding?

its one of the hardest things to work out , the speed of a oncoming vehicle (straight ahead) .

We're quite good at judging speeds in the sense of "that's going slow" or "fast" or "really f**ing fast". It's certainly easy enough to tell if something is approaching you far faster than it should, even in a straight line.

the OP was aggrieved that the motorcyclist STOPPED , turned down a side road , caught up with the OP to state he was not happy with the motorists road use , the OP has not said if he wound his window down , or even got out of the car , or indeed gave verbal's to the motorcyclist.

They are entitled to be aggrieved.

maybe it was wrong for the motorcyclist to retaliate on the OPs car , we are only hearing one side of the story .

It was definitely wrong from the biker to retaliate, there's no conceivable outcome in which vandalism is acceptable. Maybe if he had to remove his wing mirror to gain access to protect a nun carrying a basket of kittens out of a burning house?

maybe if the OP had said" I pulled across the path of an oncoming motorcyclist , causing him to lock up , and drove off , he followed me , I cowered in my car (on my phone) and he broke my door mirror"

The biker would still be a vandal and entirely in the wrong.

I do remember a video once where a truck swerved in front of a bike to deliberately ram him off the road, the bike turned round and chased him, driver got out yelling and the biker thumped him. Driver totally got what he deserved, but the biker was still 100% in the wrong for reacting.

I still doubt very much if the motorcyclist would have turned off and followed the OP if it had been a minor incident.

I disagree.

enfield_freddy

you like the OP are expert witnesses at determining the speed of an oncoming vehicle?


notice how the OP has not returned , perhaps he,s annoyed that his mirror was broken , but realises now that he was wrong in pulling across the road without clear view , drove off after what could be classed as an accident , and perhaps was a little shy in apologizing to the motorcyclist when he pulled him over.


yes it was wrong for the motorcyclist to break the mirror , we will never know if it was intentional , or heavy handed due to leather/Kevlar gloves.


yes Bazster , we have all seen the footage of drunken youths on mopeds in Holland doing 25mph , you mention a mobile phone on a bike? , had he taken his helmet off or was he just using Bluetooth and bashing himself on the ear when he wanted to make a call?

mattyprice4004

My god, you really are on another planet.
I'm lost for words....

Herzlos

enfield_freddy wrote: »

you like the OP are expert witnesses at determining the speed of an oncoming vehicle?

It's why we've got 2 eyes side by side... It makes hunting a whole lot easier...

And yes, I'm expert enough to know that the driver is capable of telling if a vehicle was approaching too fast.

notice how the OP has not returned , perhaps he,s annoyed that his mirror was broken , but realises now that he was wrong in pulling across the road without clear view , drove off after what could be classed as an accident , and perhaps was a little shy in apologizing to the motorcyclist when he pulled him over.

Or because he posted at 10pm last night, and is probably in work right now instead of arguing on the internet?

yes it was wrong for the motorcyclist to break the mirror , we will never know if it was intentional , or heavy handed due to leather/Kevlar gloves.

If it was an accident (which I doubt - did he really chase someone down and occidentally knock off a wing mirror?), then why didn't he stop and exchange his insurance details? Leaving the scene of an accident is a crime too. Unless you can prove otherwise, it sounds like a pretty classic case of road rage.

You're fishing here, because you know you're wrong.

yes Bazster , we have all seen the footage of drunken youths on mopeds in Holland doing 25mph , you mention a mobile phone on a bike? , had he taken his helmet off or was he just using Bluetooth and bashing himself on the ear when he wanted to make a call?

It's irrelevant - bikers aren't innocent of all driving offences either.

LandyAndy

Go round and throw some 'dark matter' at his windows.

enfield_freddy

And yes, I'm expert enough to know that the driver is capable of telling if a vehicle was approaching too fast.


do you know the OP in person? ,


the OP pulled across the path of an oncoming vehicle END OFF


the OP would have written a different story , if the vehicle in question had have been a HGV complying with the speed limits , and he was now in hospital