A second Budget: 8th July

10pence

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divastrop wrote: »

This is a truly horrendous post, and from somebody who worked in the CAB as well.

Honest post, not horrendous. I did say that working for the CAB did the opposite of what most people would think it would do. I strengthened my resolve in believing in benefit reforms. My only objection is the affect it has had on the genuinely sick and disabled.

What I found truly horrendous was how the benefit system has allowed certain members of our society to wallow and fester on benefits. The 'entitlement' mentality has removed some people's desire to aspire to anything beyond claiming money off the state.
I found it disgusting issuing food vouchers to ppl that were point blank lying; but the CAB policy was never to question nor to 'police' the food vouchers. We had the foodbanks informing us not to issue vouchers to certain ppl, as some had committed fraud to obtain them and still the CAB issued them.

I do not understand the mentality of those who believe people have lots of children so they can get more benefits. I can only imagine that those who believe that do not have children themselves, and have no idea of the financial cost of raising a child.

It happens, and anyone that believes otherwise is deluded. The amount of ppl I witnessed having another child just before their eldest was 5yr to carry on getting income support was astounding. The amount of ppl I saw having children when they couldn't even support the ones they had now was even more astounding - all coming for benefit checks and going away disgruntled because they wanted more money.
Horrid was the smiling faces of so called loving parents when they 'claim' their children are disabled. One of the reasons I stopped completing Child DLA forms.
Whilst, I might not have children, I am fully aware of the costs involved, which is why I don't have any because I cannot afford them without state support beyond CB.

Many people in very poor countries, people who live in shanty towns and have nothing, have several children. There is more to the human desire to reproduce than simply wanting to get more benefit money!

We are talking about the UK and the benefits system. Those countries you refer to have a higher infant mortality rate as well as other issues. So this is irrelevant to the discussion here.

The benefit cap is already plunging children into poverty, and if it is lowered by a further 3k as has been suggested, then things can only get worse. Whatever the intentions of their parents, why should children suffer just because some ignorant people believe the ridiculous rhetoric regarding those on benefits getting more money than those in work?

It's not rhetoric when witnessed and it actually happens; as I stated of all the ppl affected by the benefit cap I witnessed and in some cases helped were all large families where no one worked. These same ppl could never have afforded large families if they didn't have state support. Hopefully, now the benefit cap will make people more responsible for their actions and not have children they could never afford without state support or even getting a job.
Child Tax Credits hasn't banished child poverty it created more.

Maybe you should try and persuade the housing association you work for to start building workhouses for these undeserving poor you have such issues with.

Don't have a problem with that, might actually be the first time some of them actually work instead of claim off the state for a living.

nannytone_2

my es husbands step daughter is 36. she had her first child at 18, another at 20 and a third at 22. ( all whilst living from benefits) then the age at which you needed a child at to receive income support changed. so she also has a child of 5. and she is expecting her 5th child next month.
the oldest boy is so disgusted that he has moved in with his nan and my ex ( FED UP WITH LOOKING AFTER THE LITTLE ONE WHILE HIS MOTHER PARTIES)
EVEN MY EX'S WIFE SAYS SHE HAS ONLY HAD ANOTHER BABY TO KEEP HER INCOME SUPPORT

merlin68

But even if she'd got a job she wouldn't have lost those child related benefits.
You have to earn a lot before you loose cb and ctc. 33k for 2 kids.
This is what i dont understand about calling people breeders, you'd get the money whether you worked or not.
Income support is what £73 a week, hardly worth having all them kids for.

nannytone_2

youre missing the point.
She doesnt want to go to work.... Thats why she needs to be on income support and not jsa.
The generosity of the child related benefits more than make up for her income support only being £74.
Plus all her rent paid and the majority of her council tax.
If she worked, she'd get the child related benefits, but would have to contribute towards her rent

merlin68

I wouldn't worry about it, you cant have babies for ever. She'll have to work eventually.

mother_of_six

With all they kids and partying she should get ESA cause by the time her youngest is 5 she will be exhausted :rotfl:

nannytone_2

merlin68 wrote: »

i wouldn't worry about it, you cant have babies for ever. She'll have to work eventually.

she has tile for another after this one!
And by that time she will be suffering from stress and anxiety no doubt.
She has never had a jpb and clearly intends to never have one

tazwhoever

billywilly wrote: »

If you believe everything that you read then you are a lost soul.

Taken from that article is this statement:

"The 62-year-old amputee’s story drew huge support when he told The News he had been told to find a job despite being terminally ill with lung cancer."

Are we so stupid as to believe that this is what actually happened? Anybody who has a terminal illness with 6 months to live, is AUTOMATICALLY placed in the Support Group of ESA. Additionally when the DWP are presented with a form DS1500 signed by the mediacl authority they are AUTOMATICALLY awarded PIP/DLA.

Both of these benefits have a 'fast track' system in place for such claimants.

I would suggest that the person in question was responsible for the problems he suffered owing to lack of communication with the DWP and not submitting the correct forms

Might be for one or two cases but there are many who die because the way this benefit is assessed.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work_Capability_Assessment

billywilly

tazwhoever wrote: »

Might be for one or two cases but there are many who die because the way this benefit is assessed.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Work_Capability_Assessment

My reading it suggests that he had been assessed and had failed ESA .
The story just doesn't sound right.

I keep on repeating this, NO ONE has actually died as a result of problems with the benefit system. I would be very surprised if a doctor wrote on the death certificate - cause of death - lack of benefits.

System

densol wrote: »

It happened to me ! I used to earn £80k pa until I was made I'll by my job ..... 4 years later a 30 year career is ruined and I'm on benefits and Valium. Don't ever imagine it can't happen - I used to represent people like me in the Crown Court. The thought of even stepping inside a court now gives me a panic attack - I'd be lucky to earn £15K pa now although it is my plan as I'm able bodied - I just have half a brain now

Sorry to hear of your situation.

I was anti-benefits, before i fell ill and lost my job. And ended up having to claim myself. I was on my high horse and it was quite a fall.