A second Budget: 8th July

billywilly

tea-bag wrote: »

I did not and never will vote conservative. But I do agree with there benefit cuts and policy's.

So do I, wholeheartedly.
And I am an Independent politician who doesn't believe in any political party.

TELLIT01

The new budget will provide the opportunity to bring in things which were being blocked by the Lib-Dems. We all know how popular the Lib-Dems were with the electorate!

p00hsticks

tea-bag wrote: »

Of what? People on benefits being brought down to the level of a nmw earners! About time too!

Given that a good proportion of working age benefits are going to people in work, effectively subsidising poorly paying employers, in many cases "people on benefits" and "nmw earners" are one and the same

davefrombristol

Well there's nothing more to cut from me. Slaughtered by the bedroom tax living in a two bedroom flat with stage two of the eviction process on the way because LA & Housing Association don't talk to each other leading to me not even knowing that the shortfall was down to the bedroom tax.

And now Housing Benefit gets stopped at the drop of a coin every time a change of circumstances occur, every time with no justification.

I'm working and don't claim IS / JSA and there must be 1000's more like me - all it does is just puts more power in the hands of employers who know they can pick and choose desperate willing people that will never ask for pay rises and can be worked to the bone on minimum wages as the alternative is homelessness.

Most people in favour of all these benefit cuts are those lucky enough to own their homes which are going up in value every year by more than most of us can earn on these minimum wage jobs in a year.

cifpower

davefrombristol wrote: »

Well there's nothing more to cut from me. Slaughtered by the bedroom tax living in a two bedroom flat with stage two of the eviction process on the way because LA & Housing Association don't talk to each other leading to me not even knowing that the shortfall was down to the bedroom tax.

And now Housing Benefit gets stopped at the drop of a coin every time a change of circumstances occur, every time with no justification.

I'm working and don't claim IS / JSA and there must be 1000's more like me - all it does is just puts more power in the hands of employers who know they can pick and choose desperate willing people that will never ask for pay rises and can be worked to the bone on minimum wages as the alternative is homelessness.

Most people in favour of all these benefit cuts are those lucky enough to own their homes which are going up in value every year by more than most of us can earn on these minimum wage jobs in a year.

Do you think it is acceptable for the taxpayer to pay for unlimited rooms in a house or should there be a limit just as there is in the private sector?

davefrombristol

If someone lives by themselves in a 4/5 bedroom house after their children are all grown up then obviously they should make way for another family and move to a smaller property.

After a long meeting with my housing association they themselves say that they simply don't have one bedroom properties and during the 6mth period that I was subject to the bedroom tax not ONCE did they even contact me to discuss or offer any alternative accomodation.

The fact that the housing association didn't even know that the bedroom tax was in place in my case shows how much of a pressing need it was to move another family in to my place. The LA also saw it as such as a pressing need they never told the housing association either.

Please take note that I only have one offspring and she currently resides with me so that's two bedrooms and two people so I am not looking at any empty bedrooms now. So don't tell me to move out to a smaller place ...

Conclusion: Its just another way of generating money from people that have virtually nothing - after all they have to fund the rise in inheritance tax going up from 300,00 to 1,000,000- so why not hit people that don't vote for them.

10pence

davefrombristol wrote: »

Well there's nothing more to cut from me. Slaughtered by the bedroom tax living in a two bedroom flat with stage two of the eviction process on the way because LA & Housing Association don't talk to each other leading to me not even knowing that the shortfall was down to the bedroom tax.

And now Housing Benefit gets stopped at the drop of a coin every time a change of circumstances occur, every time with no justification.

I'm working and don't claim IS / JSA and there must be 1000's more like me - all it does is just puts more power in the hands of employers who know they can pick and choose desperate willing people that will never ask for pay rises and can be worked to the bone on minimum wages as the alternative is homelessness.

Most people in favour of all these benefit cuts are those lucky enough to own their homes which are going up in value every year by more than most of us can earn on these minimum wage jobs in a year.

I work within welfare rights, first for a CAB and now a housing association, so I have first hand experience in dealing with a wide variety of people on benefits; from first time claimers - such as workers becoming ill, f3ckless parents, longterm multi-generational claimants, to the lifers that think the state and everyone else owes them a living.

You would think that I wouldn't agree with these welfare reforms. The opposite is true. Welfare reform is long overdue. And, working in the environment I do only reinforces that sentiment.

Bedroom tax - not really a tax, but is the aligning of HB rules for both social and private renters - no lefty terrorist demonstrations when the LHA was introduced. The removal of the spare room allowance is fair, the implementation wasn't the best but it needed to be done. The genuinely sick and disabled should have had their circumstances considered before it applied.

When the LHA was introduced I helped many people move to more affordable properties. Since 'bedroom tax' introduced everyone has told me they have a right to live in those subsidised properties even though they're too big. Not one that could move would move, even though suitable HA properties were available .

Before I became a home owner (which I made many and still do sacrifices), and rented I moved to affordable properties because I knew my wages would only cover so much living costs. At one point I moved back in with my parents paying keep, travelling 200 mile round trip to work because it saved me nearly £70/m

Benefit cap: no one not working unless genuinely disabled/ill should get more in benefits than someone working 30 hrs on NMW. Of the several cases, I personally dealt with, of ppl affected most were familes with multiples of children they cold never have afforded to have without state support. I object to supporting a !!!!less lifestyle. And, I objected to the CAB' response which was to try and identify any disability to be exploited regardless of how little the effect could be. They completely chose to ignore that workers were exempt.
I often feel that Tax Credits has failed the system too; WTC has allowed employers to pay NMW in full knowledge the state will top it up. And, CTC hasn't as Gordon Brown wanted banished child poverty but made it even worse by allowing ppl to view that the state will 'pay' them to have multiples of children they couldn't afford without that state support.

These are just some opinions. I try to only post in threads where I genuinely believe I can help. That's why I come here to help, not pass judgement - however there are times when my better nature is tested.

qwertyman

Weary_soul wrote: »

Be afraid. Be very afraid.

You should look at the success of the left of center Scandinavian societies, they have strong welfare systems, just as much unemployment, but their people are happy and not afraid. I think that's what I would like for our country or if not that's what I would like for Scotland.

[Deleted User]

Assuming all these benefit cuts do really save the taxpayer valuable money (and I doubt it, because it's mostly false economy), where does this alleged saved money go to? Surely it doesn't come back to the working/middle class.

Instead it will go into tax cuts for the ultra rich (ie the corporations run and owned by non-doms).

Why is not difficult to understand that tax cuts are just like benefits under another name?

Scarla

billywilly wrote: »

So do I, wholeheartedly.
And I am an Independent politician who doesn't believe in any political party.

*snorts with laughter*

Is there no end to your talents?