3 POints and £100 fine for turning left!!

marleyboy

Ahead of the lights there is also a yellow bollard with a NO LEFT TURN arrow.

If the bollard wasn't enough, the unnaturally sharp left turn should have been a clue.

charlottelou

i dont think ill be able to appeal according to pepipoo, plus the people on pepipoo are too judgmental, on here are much more helpful and friendly
so thanks all

d123

Marktheshark wrote: »

No Left Turn by order sign needs a TRO grant to be enforceable.



Advisory or positive instruction sign (Reversed)
No TRO, gives positive instruction.

The offence is breaching the TRO usually, no TRO = no offence and as there is no prohibited or "order"sign, I doubt they have a Traffic regulation Order

Actually not correct, the blue direction arrow 606/606B is a regulatory sign.

Check here for confirmation
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/222621/dg_191955.pdf

charlottelou

failing to follow green arrow instruction

Marktheshark

For there to be an enforceable no left turn, the road needs to have a Traffic regulation order" otherwise no offence can occur.
Should you turn right = yes, is it a offence to turn left, that depends on the Traffic regulation order.
If the signs were red border or "order signs" as they are, then I would suspect there is a TRO in force and you broke it.
As it is only a positive guidance sign, then I would contact the local authority for that area and request they make the TRO prohibiting a left turn available for inspection, it is a public document so FOI does not apply and they can not demand a fee to see it.
If they have no TRO in force, you might just have them here, they might not offer any evidence at court to avoid having to re-pay everyone that did pay up.
Plus they like to keep doing it if its a good earner for them.

Marktheshark

charlottelou wrote: »

failing to follow green arrow instruction

That offence relates to jumping a red light, not turning in the wrong direction.
If the lights were split in to two and one side remained red whilst a green arrow came on then that would be an offence.
Looks like a bit of a shambles this.

charlottelou

Marktheshark wrote: »

That offence relates to jumping a red light, not turning in the wrong direction.
If the lights were split in to two and one side remained red whilst a green arrow came on then that would be an offence.
Looks like a bit of a shambles this.

so do you think it would be worth requesting a court date?

d123

charlottelou wrote: »

so do you think it would be worth requesting a court date?

No, please don't choose to go to court on the say-so of a internet poster who hasn't even got the sign rules right.

To be blunt, the experts on pepipoo don't sugarcoat or try to excuse those who are guilty, they might come over as unfriendly, but if they see a way out they will tell you. You are guilty, and will be found guilty in court if you were to go to court, it will be an extremely expensive lesson.

Marktheshark

That is down to you, but only if you are prepared to go beyond magistrates and appeal.
Getting a fair judgement out of magistrates is not always black and white, they can just ignore the law in hope you wont appeal.
Another avenue is to go see the Duty inspector of the force and show him the paper work and point out why they are wrong and ask them to withdraw the allegation or you are prepared to go all the way through the courts.
as they are obviously making a few quid out of this, they might just take you up on the offer.

Marktheshark

PS just looked on Peipoo, the actual knowledge base people have not posted yet, so wait until they are home from work.
Get as many options as possible.

Just be warned those judging you on here will follow you on to peppipo to do the same.