3 POints and £100 fine for turning left!!

Cornucopia

Unfortunately we have entered a new era in road policing, where it isn't really about whether what you did was dangerous. The only questions are: was it wrong, and can we make some money out of it, relatively easily?

Those minor roads alongside the A13 have been "over policed" for years, though. Pity the bizzies weren't there the other week when some idiot in a big 4x4 tried to run me off the road.

System

where it isn't really about whether what you did was dangerous

No its about whether that action increases the risk to a level that is unacceptable.

Fine, one car doing it is not a major problem or risk. Imagine if 30 cars all in a row did it. The ban on turning left there allows for a natural break in cars joining from New Barn St (the ones from the north)

d123

charlottelou wrote: »

I didn't post because i didn't think i did wrong- i know i did wrong , i just asked about the signs and whether i could get out of it due to there being no signs to say that i CANT do it!

The arrow pointing right in the blue circle is a MANDATORY sign, it is saying you CANT do it.

trubster

charlottelou wrote: »

I obviously know it was wrong, i was just asking because there is not a sign to say you can NOT do it.

I didn't post because i didn't think i did wrong- i know i did wrong , i just asked about the signs and whether i could get out of it due to there being no signs to say that i CANT do it!

You knew it was illegal, you shook the dice, and they came up snake eyes.

A quick highway code lesson for you

A Round Circular Sign = An order that MUST be obeyed

Red outer on a circular sign = You MUST NOT do what is indicated in the sign

BLUE background on the circular sign = You MUST DO what the sign is telling you to do

A green traffic light with an arrow pointing in one specific direction = You may only turn in the directions indicated by the green arrows

You didn't need signs to say you CAN'T turn left, you knew you couldn't. The signage was more than sufficient.

DoaM

trubster wrote: »

Red outer on a circular sign = You MUST NOT do what is indicated in the sign

So all those speed limit signs are really telling us that we MUST NOT do whatever is the speed indicated by the sign? (i.e. less or more is OK, but that exact speed is not allowed).

Cornucopia

!!!!!! wrote: »

No its about whether that action increases the risk to a level that is unacceptable.

Fine, one car doing it is not a major problem or risk. Imagine if 30 cars all in a row did it. The ban on turning left there allows for a natural break in cars joining from New Barn St (the ones from the north)

People don't understand risk. The Police (what with them not being statisticians) certainly aren't using true analysis of risk in their roads enforcement work.

A true risk analysis for driving across a pedestrian crossing when the pedestrian "walk" symbol is green would be something like this:-

1. Is the crossing clear?

2. Are there any pedestrians nearby who might be about to cross?

3. Is the location such that there might be unseen pedestrians who could suddenly start to cross?

4. Is the vehicle speed slow enough to stop in any potential accident situation?

5. Are all observations adequate and unimpeded?

With all of those issues covered, I think it's possible to make the case that one could drive over a pedestrian crossing at green in absolute safety. In which case, the risk of colliding with a pedestrian is greater where there is no crossing, but lots of pedestrians.

trubster

DoaM wrote: »

So all those speed limit signs are really telling us that we MUST NOT do whatever is the speed indicated by the sign? (i.e. less or more is OK, but that exact speed is not allowed).

Lol, ok I walked right into that one.

A Red Circle - If an action (arrow) is indicated inside a red circle, then you MUST NOT turn in the direction shown (Also applicable for U-Turns, even though there is no such manoeuvre)

A Red Circle - If it has a number in - This is a speed LIMIT, you MUST NOT exceed the speed shown

A Red Circle - If it has a picture of a vehicle in with no additional information (i.e. HGV/Coach) - The specified vehicles MUST NOT use this road

A red circle - if it has a picture of a vehicle with more information - ie. HGV with 7.5t inside it - this is a WEIGHT LIMIT - You can not use the road in the vehicle type showing if the MGW exceeds that indicated on the sign.

and a few more, but i'm off to work...

matttye

charlottelou wrote: »

Thank you to the nice helpful people who have commented. as for the other smart alec's. I obviously know it was wrong, i was just asking because there is not a sign to say you can NOT do it. I know there are numerous arrow pointing to the right but was seeing if i can get out of it as i didn't cause 'carnage'
I drive around this area all of the time and everyone does this, (i know that still doesn't make it right) and there are never any pedestrians at that point of the road, don't even know why a crossing is there.
Plus, after doing the sharp left , you are not directly on the a13, its a very long slip road that leads up to lights before you can access the A13.

I have had my licence for 15 years and have never had any points on my licence. was just being lazy to be honest as the alternate route to get on the a13 is longer.. i didn't hurt anyone nor did i cause any danger to anyone else around me.

I didn't post because i didn't think i did wrong- i know i did wrong , i just asked about the signs and whether i could get out of it due to there being no signs to say that i CANT do it!

If there's a mandatory sign saying you have to go right then there's no need for a sign to say you can't go left, because that's implied.

There would be a risk of over complicating the roads with redundant signage if you had to have an opposing negative sign for every positive instruction sign.

trubster

matttye wrote: »

If there's a mandatory sign saying you have to go right then there's no need for a sign to say you can't go left, because that's implied.

There would be a risk of over complicating the roads with redundant signage if you had to have an opposing negative sign for every positive instruction sign.

halibut2209

DoaM wrote: »

So all those speed limit signs are really telling us that we MUST NOT do whatever is the speed indicated by the sign? (i.e. less or more is OK, but that exact speed is not allowed).

Well the laws of physics would dictate that more is not ok, as you would have to at some point gone at that exact speed to get there