3 POints and £100 fine for turning left!!

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If the green light is a right arrow then that is the only option that you have when proceeding through the lights. If you want to go in another direction then you have a long wait for a green light that will allow you to do that

matttye

!!!!!! wrote: »

If the green light is a right arrow then that is the only option that you have when proceeding through the lights. If you want to go in another direction then you have a long wait for a green light that will allow you to do that

Exactly. That's my understanding too.

Marktheshark

ManxRed wrote: »

Erm, the blue arrow underneath the green light means 'right turn only'

No it actually means it is a "positive instruction" a guide, the no right turn legal sign has a red border and instructs an "order".

The_Slithy_Tove

!!!!!! wrote: »

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.517577,0.02398,3a,75y,271.59h,82.75t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sZZqSPmPwmvE2c-q_HCROzw!2e0

You mean you did a hard left - almost a U-turn - to get onto the slip road onto the dual-carriageway? If so, all the signage is quite clear that is not allowed. If lots of people routinely do that, as the OP suggests in the first post, no wonder the police stake it out every now and then.

d123

Cornucopia wrote: »

The situation the OP describes points to muddled/defective signage. Depending on the detail, it might be possible to challenge on that basis.

Also, if it's not a traffic light offence, then the state of the lights is probably less relevant.

It doesn't look like muddled/defective signage in the street view the OP has posted.



It's pretty clear its right turn only...

thriftylass

The blue arrow in combination with the green arrow in the traffic lights and no other traffic light option in the picture tells me you were only allowed to go right. Plus I tried to have a look around that junction in street view and found it very hard to imaging you could actually easily go left.

Marktheshark

No Left Turn by order sign needs a TRO grant to be enforceable.



Advisory or positive instruction sign (Reversed)
No TRO, gives positive instruction.

The offence is breaching the TRO usually, no TRO = no offence and as there is no prohibited or "order"sign, I doubt they have a Traffic regulation Order

thriftylass

Marktheshark wrote: »

No Left Turn by order sign needs a TRO grant to be enforceable.



Advisory or positive instruction sign (Reversed)
No TRO, gives positive instruction.

The offence is breaching the TRO usually, no TRO = no offence and as there is no prohibited or "order"sign, I doubt they have a Traffic regulation Order

But apparently, based on the OP's description, AND actually based on the picture above, there is also a green arrow in the traffic light, only allowing traffic to go right.

Cornucopia

d123 wrote: »

It doesn't look like muddled/defective signage in the street view the OP has posted.

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It's pretty clear its right turn only...

Apologies, I hadn't seen the location at the point when I posted.

I actually know that location. The layout is intended to separate local and trunk-road traffic. It's quite clear that only a right turn is permitted, it's fairly obvious why, and the near U-turn on the left is probably quick tricky, and potentially dangerous.

I can't see any reason why they wouldn't place a "no left turn" sign there, though. (I'm sure I've seen them doubled-up like that elsewhere).

Marktheshark

thriftylass wrote: »

But apparently, based on the OP's description, AND actually based on the picture above, there is also a green arrow in the traffic light, only allowing traffic to go right.

Then that would have to be marked as disobeying a traffic signal on the paperwork.
Thats why i asked the offence was, if it makes no mention of a traffic light offence then it is as irrelevant as a shoplifting allegation from his school days.