RTC whilst on driving lesson

esuhl

Spicy_McHaggis wrote: »

Do you really consider that something for the police?

Yes -- if the driving school won't help, I can't see why it would be such a massive issue to ask the police for the insurance details?!

Spicy_McHaggis

esuhl wrote: »

Yes -- if the driving school won't help, I can't see why it would be such a massive issue to ask the police for the insurance details?!

This isn't a police matter, if the driving school won't help.

How can the police make the driving school give another drivers insurance details to them?

atrixblue.-MFR-.

Some of the replies here could have been a bit more polite rather than a spiteful dig at the OP.


OP your son acquired legal capacity on his 16th birthday, thus they the people whom you speak to about this I.E solicitors driving school ETC do not have to speak with you, UNLESS your son expressly gives you permission via phone or a signed letter detailing you as his agent to act on behalf of.


I know its frustrating for you as a more experienced mature person than your son you feel the persons thats dealing with the case may take advantage of this and wish to step in.


EVERY PERSON who has daughter, son, adopted child, step child ETC will want and will do the same in the same situation.
MSE has become a pick on you forum as you have discovered, some are here just to take gratification in taking the "P" out of your misfortunes, these people just add to your ignore list and move on to the helpful replies don't quote them they will soon go away.


As for the driving school, I would make sure they are registered.


Some driving schools are more organized and prepared when it comes to an accident, they have incident report forms where (in the event of an accident) the third parties details are entered onto the form and everyone elses involved, the location, the instructors registration number, the vehicle registration numbers and a brief description of what happened, both instructor and pupil retains a copy for future reference.


Its standard practice to not allow pupil to handle the incident, the vehicles main policy holder and instructor does this through their training and may also be a condition on their insurance to do so.
Their put in the passenger seat because a pupil maybe in shock form what has happened and thus retake control over vehicle to prevent the pupil whilst in shock from operating the vehicle by mistake and flustered and in shock state cause more damage or harm.


If injury is reported to the instructor at roadside he is to call ambulance and police, the instructor has a duty of care to ensure the safety of his pupil immediately after an accident and events after, if the pupil is fine, he is to notify next of kin they have been involved in an accident and either ask to collect him or her (if the vehicle is damaged and not moveable and recovery is on rout for the vehicle) or drop off and notify next of kin as a precaution to look for signs of whiplash and to get medical treatment if signs such appear.


EDIT: this is not a police matter! this is a civil dispute, OP has two options, go to the instructors place of residence and ask at the door or driving center for these details, OR tell your solicitor the registration mark of the instructors vehicle and get them to do their job in tracing the insurers and making the legal requests for the thirdpartys insurance.

Spicy_McHaggis

atrixblue.-MFR-. wrote: »

Some of the replies here could have been a bit more polite rather than a spiteful dig at the OP.


OP your son acquired legal capacity on his 16th birthday, thus they the people whom you speak to about this I.E solicitors driving school ETC do not have to speak with you, UNLESS your son expressly gives you permission via phone or a signed letter detailing you as his agent to act on behalf of.


I know its frustrating for you as a more experienced mature person than your son you feel the persons thats dealing with the case may take advantage of this and wish to step in.


EVERY PERSON who has daughter, son, adopted child, step child ETC will want and will do the same in the same situation.
MSE has become a pick on you forum as you have discovered, some are here just to take gratification in taking the "P" out of your misfortunes, these people just add to your ignore list and move on to the helpful replies don't quote them they will soon go away.


As for the driving school, I would make sure they are registered.


Some driving schools are more organized and prepared when it comes to an accident, they have incident report forms where (in the event of an accident) the third parties details are entered onto the form and everyone elses involved, the location, the instructors registration number, the vehicle registration numbers and a brief description of what happened, both instructor and pupil retains a copy for future reference.


Its standard practice to not allow pupil to handle the incident, the vehicles main policy holder and instructor does this through their training and may also be a condition on their insurance to do so.
Their put in the passenger seat because a pupil maybe in shock form what has happened and thus retake control over vehicle to prevent the pupil whilst in shock from operating the vehicle by mistake and flustered and in shock state cause more damage or harm.


If injury is reported to the instructor at roadside he is to call ambulance and police, the instructor has a duty of care to ensure the safety of his pupil immediately after an accident and events after, if the pupil is fine, he is to notify next of kin they have been involved in an accident and either ask to collect him or her (if the vehicle is damaged and not moveable and recovery is on rout for the vehicle) or drop off and notify next of kin as a precaution to look for signs of whiplash and to get medical treatment if signs such appear.

Do you have a source for that or is it something you've made up because you think it should happen like that?

Tilt

Spicy_McHaggis wrote: »

This isn't a police matter, if the driving school won't help.

How can the police make the driving school give another drivers insurance details to them?

I think it should of been as apparently there was an injury involved. The police will obtain the insurance details as part of their involvement from both parties and they can pass them on if necessary. I think it normally happens in failing to stop/exchange details cases.

EDIT: This from one police force; http://www.norfolk.police.uk/safetyadvice/roadsafety/advicetoroadusers/roadtrafficcollisions.aspx

restless6

atrixblue.-MFR-. wrote: »

Some of the replies here could have been a bit more polite rather than a spiteful dig at the OP.


OP your son acquired legal capacity on his 16th birthday, thus they the people whom you speak to about this I.E solicitors driving school ETC do not have to speak with you, UNLESS your son expressly gives you permission via phone or a signed letter detailing you as his agent to act on behalf of.


I know its frustrating for you as a more experienced mature person than your son you feel the persons thats dealing with the case may take advantage of this and wish to step in.


EVERY PERSON who has daughter, son, adopted child, step child ETC will want and will do the same in the same situation.
MSE has become a pick on you forum as you have discovered, some are here just to take gratification in taking the "P" out of your misfortunes, these people just add to your ignore list and move on to the helpful replies don't quote them they will soon go away.


As for the driving school, I would make sure they are registered.


Some driving schools are more organized and prepared when it comes to an accident, they have incident report forms where (in the event of an accident) the third parties details are entered onto the form and everyone elses involved, the location, the instructors registration number, the vehicle registration numbers and a brief description of what happened, both instructor and pupil retains a copy for future reference.


Its standard practice to not allow pupil to handle the incident, the vehicles main policy holder and instructor does this through their training and may also be a condition on their insurance to do so.
Their put in the passenger seat because a pupil maybe in shock form what has happened and thus retake control over vehicle to prevent the pupil whilst in shock from operating the vehicle by mistake and flustered and in shock state cause more damage or harm.


If injury is reported to the instructor at roadside he is to call ambulance and police, the instructor has a duty of care to ensure the safety of his pupil immediately after an accident and events after, if the pupil is fine, he is to notify next of kin they have been involved in an accident and either ask to collect him or her (if the vehicle is damaged and not moveable and recovery is on rout for the vehicle) or drop off and notify next of kin as a precaution to look for signs of whiplash and to get medical treatment if signs such appear.

Thank you for your reply.
I see some of those responding to my thread just try to pick holes in what is said and seem to be less helpful than others! thats the nature of public forums I guess!!

My son wasn't given any documentation or record of his accident at all. He was driven home and the instructor moaned at him about the car having to go to the garage to be fixed as the bumper was hanging off apparently!

I thought about the duty of care and that is why i would have liked him just to take a minute to knock on the door to tell me what happened rather than just driving off!
We block booked ten sessions with him and he cancelled quite a few after the accident and my son cancelled a few too because he wasn't able to turn his neck around. So when they recommenced the accident was not mentioned by the instructor and each time my son rang him to ask for information the instructor cancelled his following lesson.
During the actual lesson time my son didn't approach the subject again as he felt uncomfortable now doing so and he is very shy anyway so this just added to him feeling unable to raise the conversation.

Spicy_McHaggis

Tilt wrote: »

I think it should of been as apparently there was an injury involved. The police will obtain the insurance details as part of their involvement from both parties and they can pass them on if necessary. I think it normally happens in failing to stop/exchange details cases.

EDIT: This from one police force; http://www.norfolk.police.uk/safetyadvice/roadsafety/advicetoroadusers/roadtrafficcollisions.aspx

I'm not disputing an injury accident being a police matter.

espresso

restless6 wrote: »

After some advice please.....

My 17yr old son was on a driving lesson in October 2014 and his car was hit from behind by another car and my son suffered whiplash.
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Anyhow-- we put in a claim for compensation as my son suffered an injury.

What was the severity of this injury?

Did your son undergo a medical examination in Oct 2014 at his doctors or at A & E?

How long was your son off school due to this injury?

Did he receive any treatment? e.g. medication, physiotherapy.

Tilt

I seriously think you should go to the police. They may give you a lecture about reporting it within 24 hours BUT in my opinion, that's the instructor's responsibility. You could argue that your son is not yet a qualified driver and as such is unaware of this kind of process.

restless6

espresso wrote: »

What was the severity of this injury?

Did your son undergo a medical examination in Oct 2014 at his doctors or at A & E?

How long was your son off school due to this injury?

Did he receive any treatment? e.g. medication, physiotherapy.

Yes he sought medical attention at our local surgery and was given painkillers.
He fortunately had the accident just before half term so didnt miss any school but he did have to miss his swimming and a few social engagaments, whether that matters to anyone i dont know! But he couldnt move his head around properly for a while as it hurt too much as did his shoulder and upper back area.