RE: Landlord Fitted Boiler, Not Corgi Registered. [IMAGES ENCLOSED]

eco-friendly_2

EliteHeat wrote: »

When Corgi finally come round, tell them about his 15 other illegally installed boilers. Hopefully they will liaise with the HSE, there is a much better chance of them prosecuting a serial illegal installer than for a one-off chancer.

I also don’t know why there are a few people on here who firmly believe that it is legal for them to mess around with gas appliances with impunity. Perhaps it is because they are simply cheapskate landlords such as yours prepared to put profit before peoples lives.

The way I see it is, as a registered gas and unvented heating (which, believe it or not, can be more dangerous than gas) installer, I, and other Corgis on this forum, have the confidence of:-

• National grid
• The HSE
• Letting and estate agents
• Solicitors
• Courts
• Corgi themselves
• Home owners and tenants
• Gas appliance manufacturers
• Insurance companies
• Building controls officers

The other twits who believe that anyone with a blowtorch and a bag of spanners can safely install and maintain a heating system cannot claim any such thing. They are competent in their own minds only.

Please let us know the outcome of this as I am sure that others are in similar situations as yours.

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Yes of course :rolleyes: CORGI fool left a young inexperienced boy in charge of a BLOWLAMP

EliteHeat

eco-friendly wrote: »

Tell me this elite ?

Is it still the case that you can become CORGI reg; ( OK you have still to pass your qualifications ) without showing that you can use a blowlamp and do a soldered fitting properly ! the reason I ask , not so long ago I knew of an individual who became CORGI reg; and had never used, or demonstrated that he was COMPETENT in the use of such a tool :eek: and was let loose in people's homes !

Or have they tightened up ?

No. After passing a 2 day ACS assessment for the most basic qualification - CCN1 if you are interested - you are deemed proficient to work on just gas pipe work. This is not enough for Corgi though, who require evidence of 80 hours of supervised work before they will consider your application to become registered. You are then interviewed by Corgi and your work is again assessed over a period of time. Any faults found on inspection must be put right at your cost within 2 weeks.

This process/system applies to all other appliance types, cookers, boilers etc etc

Every 5 years you have to go through the whole testing / assessment process all over again and have to undergo written and practical assessments. The pass mark is 100% - there is no allowable margin for error. The average cost of this is about £2-2.5K plus of course loss of earnings, in addition to your registration, notification and insurance costs.

I have to go through all of my gas work assessment in the next month or so and the real cost to me is about £3,500.

This is why we get upset with numpties who just think they allowed to have a go.

So, to sum it up. You are wrong yet again and once more have proved that you have no idea what you are talking about.

If you wanted to become legal and were previously registered then you would have no problem re-applying. If you have never been registered then it is problematical to become so.

Canucklehead

Good morning: And adding to the ACS training and re-assessment...Part L C&G (Energy Efficiency- one off course) and Part P (Defined Competence Scheme) Electrics (re-examined every 5 years) as well as manufacturer's new product training courses.

For specifics on ACS ... http://www.bpec.org.uk/upload/docs/111/acs_coloured_flow_charts_version_5_november_05__1___2_.pdf

and info on all training/assessment www.bpec.org.uk/certification

Must add ...many CORGIs of my OH's vintage also served a 5 year plumbing apprenticeship.

Bottom line...if you have a 'numpty' performing illegal/incompetent gas work report them, always get at least three written, itemized quotes, check out your installer through personal recommendation and visit www.trustcorgi.com to check his/her credentials

HTH

Canucklehead

Catblue

I must say I'm surprised that a couple of people on here think that it is okay to install gas boilers yourself if you believe yourself to be competent.

Did the OP receive a Gas Safety Certificate at the start of the tenancy? I thought it was illegal to start a tenancy without one.

Personally, I wouldn't let a non-CORGI registered engineer near my house.

Would any of us allow someone with no medical qualifications perform major surgery on a family member?

eco-friendly_2

EliteHeat wrote: »

No. After passing a 2 day ACS assessment for the most basic qualification - CCN1 if you are interested - you are deemed
proficient to work on just gas pipe work.

This is not enough for Corgi though, who require evidence of 80 hours of supervised work before they will consider your application to become registered.

80 hours !! That's equivalent to just two weeks work........

You are then interviewed by Corgi and your work is again assessed over a period of time. Any faults found on inspection must be put right at your cost within 2 weeks.

This process/system applies to all other appliance types, cookers, boilers etc etc

Every 5 years you have to go through the whole testing / assessment process all over again and have to undergo written and practical assessments. The pass mark is 100% - there is no allowable margin for error. The average cost of this is about £2-2.5K plus of course loss of earnings, in addition to your registration, notification and insurance costs.

I have to go through all of my gas work assessment in the next month or so and the real cost to me is about £3,500.

This is why we get upset with numpties who just think they allowed to have a go.

Hmmm, £3500 divided by 5 = £700 a year. that's less than £14 a week

Most CORGI guys I know make £700 a week !! as a business expense seems a good deal to me

So, to sum it up. You are wrong yet again and once more have proved that you have no idea what you are talking about.

If you wanted to become legal and were previously registered then you would have no problem re-applying. If you have never been registered then it is problematical to become so.

I am legal as long as I do not do paid gas work,,,,,,,,,,

Heating systems I install are in properties I OWN are unoccupied and under renovation, before I let a property a landord's gas safety check is done on the property, the two CORGI guys that carry out these checks both know that I have installed the heating, and usually a gas hob.

I also upgrade any bonding req; 10 mm (within 600mm ) of the meter, cold main is also upgraded if req;.................PART P brigade will be along in a minute

A lot of the properties my company renovate are leased to the council, they insist that any property they take on has a carbon monoxide detector fitted, and a British Gas maintenance contract in place , you of course will be aware how thorough British Gas are before taking on these contracts , full inspection of the whole system, checking gas pressures, flue etc, to date British Gas have never refused to maintain any system I've installed that they have inspected, so MR you must ask yourself, if I am incompetent ! British Gas must be as well.

When a tenant is installed in a property I pass any GASWORK on to CORGI reg; people.

Your gripe is not with me, it is with the HSE who allow me to carry out LEGAL DIY GASWORK.

I do not carry out any paid work for others, ( and never have done )there are many individuals who are not registered who do, they are the ones that are taking the bread from your mouth, not me!

Canucklehead

Good morning: All new/ replacement boiler installations must be notified to Building Control...a CORGI installer can self certify his/her own installations but anyone else must notify Building Control before works start...
http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/england/genpub/en/1115313928783.html
See also Section 1.5 of the Domestic Heating Compliance Guide http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/uploads/br/BR_PDF_PTL_DOMHEAT.pdf
Failure to produce a copy of your Building Regs Compliance Certificate for gas works (and electrics for that matter) could impede the sale of your property in the future ( and housebuyers are becoming more savvy about conveyancing etc especially when they read this forum )

HTH

Canucklehead

JJ-07

Ok heres the Update. Corgi came out today, with the landlords son. He looked at the job and was pointing out loads of faults. He then got on the phone to the landlord and starting asking him why he did the job the way he did and started having a right go at him.

The whole system has now got to be replaced because it was not up to standard at all. The corgi guy said 'It does not look safe at all'. He also said because he is renting the property it needs to be done by a corgi professional.

The outcome:

The whole boiler system and pipework has to be replaced. The job should not have been done by the landlord and they are prosecuting. I havn't herd from him yet but our rent is late, due to cheque not clearing, but either way he's not getting full rent, we have had no hot water or gas for 5 days!

His actual words were: "The pipework is shody, and could be a potential risk to the tenants"

Guy_Montag

Thank JJ, keep us informed. This is all very interesting.

JJ-07

There coming out tomorrow to replace the lot. They need access to all the rooms, so im not sure what there going to do, all we have is radiators in our rooms, probably need to bleed them or something, i dunno.

Anyway, the landlords son looked !!!!ed off to say the least. I bet it was a right shock to him, next time he might think twice about doing it himself.

Its cost him double the amount now because there going to remove the whole lot, which will cost him a fortune, all the old system will be binned which is a waste aswell. He should have done it right in the first place thats all i can say.

Im happy now, its been causing problems between me and my girlfriend, we had to spend 2 hours a day filling a bath with a kettle, his electric bill will be so high aswell.

Guy_Montag

It's kept you safe & that's the important thing. Your landlord is never going to forgive you though, expect a section 21 eviction notice sometime soon.