Which family sized Diesel cars do not have DPF filter?

bery_451

daveyjp wrote: »

If you are avoiding a DPF due to potential problems due to your type of use, you don't need a diesel at all. Even non DPF diesels can have plenty of problems if they don't get plenty of use.

I had an X type with a DPF, never had a problem with that part, but other stuff failed as soon as my annual mileage dropped.

Like what kind of problems?

forgotmyname

If your worried about a DPF then start looking at petrol models instead.

My next car will probably be petrol. Unless i buy something oddball thats not much newer than my currect car or even older one.

darkmatter101

bery_451 wrote: »

I am just interested in the ford and toyota cars mentioned above. Only interested in them because they are backed up by good reviews and reliability statistics. So do they have DPF's?

OP I think you're looking at this from the wrong angle. Modern diesels and that includes diesels from 10 years ago are inherently more complex than naturally aspirated petrols.

A Toyota/Honda can equally be as expensive to repair than a TDI. Depending on your mileage a petrol may be better

bery_451

forgotmyname wrote: »

If your worried about a DPF then start looking at petrol models instead.

My next car will probably be petrol. Unless i buy something oddball thats not much newer than my currect car or even older one.

Im not worried about diesels if it doesn't have a DPF as standard.

darkmatter101

bery_451 wrote: »

Im not worried about diesels if it doesn't have a DPF as standard.

To solely factor in DPF as an only potential cost and use this as a driver in deciding which car you anticipate on purchasing truly demonstrates tunnel vision.

Do you really believe that, just because a nearly 10 year old diesel that does not have a DPF, mean that there aren't any other hidden costs? Ever thought about turbo failure? injector failure? I could go on.

The fact that you aren't providing an answer to my question that I have asked twice, suggests to me that you don't do enough miles to justify a diesel. Diesels carry a premium over naturally aspirated petrols, especially bigger saloon cars because of the many millions of naive drivers who are lured in by their cheaper road tax and higher mpg's. Simple economics; demand and supply.

Look at the price of a 2005-2007 Honda Accord 2.2 CDTI diesel and the 2.0 i-VTEC petrol. The diesel equivalent on average carries a £1k premium. If I'm doing under 15k a year, I'd spend my money on a good condition, well maintained 2.0 i-VTEC petrol than a knackered, high mileage (with a higher probability of more potential repairs) 2.2 CDTI.

forgotmyname

bery_451 wrote: »

Im not worried about diesels if it doesn't have a DPF as standard.

You should be worried. £500 for a brand new fuel injector or £150 for a reconditioned one. And you may need 4 of them.

High pressure fuel pump anywhere from £300 - £3000.

Dual mass flywheel and clutch replacement £800 - £2000.

Fuel injector for a petrol engine will be a fraction of those prices. Maybe even replace all 4 with new ones for less than one reconditioned diesel one.

No need for the high pressure pump on a petrol the normal pumps are quite cheap.

Even if the petrol model has a DMF it will far outlive the diesel one.

Diesel will be heavier and wear the front tyres faster also.

Its not clear cut on which car is cheaper to run. When you look at repair and servicing costs.

OddballJamie

payless wrote: »

I think some peugeot 308 in 2010 were sold with no pdf

That's surprising as PSA have been !!!!!!ing up diesels with DPFs since 2004.

OddballJamie

tykesi wrote: »

Or if you're only doing city miles why not just get a petrol?

Or is this another useless thread where you ask a million and one questions then ignore all answers?

Looks that way, not only does it have to be accident damaged, but now non-DPF too.

darkmatter101

forgotmyname wrote: »

You should be worried. £500 for a brand new fuel injector or £150 for a reconditioned one. And you may need 4 of them.

High pressure fuel pump anywhere from £300 - £3000.

You may have turbo issues too. £500-£1500 replacement cost

Herzlos

OP - what driving do you actually do? Unless you do huge motorway mileages, you're probably cheaper off getting a biggish (1.8-2.0) petrol hatchback/saloon. The reduced fuel economy will be offset by the purchase price and maintenance.

darkmatter101 wrote: »

My current 2.0 TDI has nearly 200k and pulls strong.

I didn't know Toyota Corollas came with a 2.0 TDI. Which model?