Lodger wants to move there partner in?

DRP

If you say no to the second lodger, will he continue to live there 'informally', as he currently does?

Are you happy with that?

I would use this situation to reinforce the ground rules for your one paying lodger. If she/they are not happy with that then they have the option to move on.

LEJC

Kynthia wrote: »

I don't know why you are so concerned about the OP telling the management company that she has lodgers. I've never heard of a lease that restricts having a lodger or limits the number of people living in the property. Do you have such a lease?

I'm not at all concerned what the OP finally decides to do...thats their decision...However its right for them to check all possibilites before they comit to allowing another person into the property as a tenant or a lodger to make sure that they dont find themselves in breech of any possible restrictions further down the line


I am a LL and yes I have a leasehold property which stipulates that the number of unrelated adults cannot exceed the number of bedrooms.This applies to the letting of the property.
I conceed that I have not queried the term of letting as to whether that extends to just tenants or a situation that would involve paying lodgers,purely because I dont have lodgers....


Apparently these type of restrictions whilst reasonably new are becoming more frequent.

TheFox30

Personally I'd just get rid ASAP and find a new housemate who doesn't take the mickey.

GobbledyGook

I wouldn't have it. In fact I'd be taking the opportunity to say it's not currently working for either of you so giving the lodger notice.

You came home from work and found him in your house. Your ONE lodger had decided, without any discussion with your (far less permission), to give her key to her boyfriend and allow him to be in your home while you were out. You say yourself you have no idea how often this happens/happened.

To me, this shows a clear disregard of you already. He was in your home, using your utilities without a thought for getting your permission. Added to the fact that both sat down and asked you about him moving in, expecting an answer straight away rather than thinking about how o the spot that would make you feel?

What makes you think for a second that they'll give you any consideration if they both officially lodge with you?

Plus it's not just utilities you have to consider. My brother-in-law stays with us and during term-time my cousin's eldest also stays. The difference between one and two can be quite a lot. It's another person coming and going (especially if their schedule is different to yours), it's someone else clogging up the bathroom, it's another person watching tv/playing music/having friends around. Sometimes it's even just another person chatting to me when I just want peace - I'm lucky, the two who stay with me are very conscious of our home, they are respectful of the rules we have in place (mainly noise ones for the children) - are you sure your lodgers will be so considerate of you?

asoe209

Moring all, so guess I’ll update on what’s happened. 1st let me thank everyone for the input on the situation.

So as some have rightfully said to talk with both of them was changed to just talking with the lodger, as she is the lodger and the boyfriend has nothing to do with what I need to tell her in the home. This proved to be difficult since my last post. The boyfriend was always around and I also had my own things going on.

So I decided that I would put everything down in a letter and hand it to her on Monday. If I’m honest I thought the boyfriend would not be there on Monday, this would have been the start of the 3rd week and surely any normal person would think it’s taking the !!!!. Low and behold I get home to them both there and her mum turning up 15mins later.

I put off given it to her will all around so gave it to her yesterday morning when all had gone.

I had also already decided not to allow him to move in.
Below is what was said. Please excuse the spelling. Names were replaced with the blank.

Dear blank
Hope all is well with you, I have been wanting to catch you alone to have a word but have been unable to do so this is why I have resulted to writing. There are a couple of things that I need to address with you there are as follows.
Before I start I now you are working extra hours so time is not always on your side, I please do not take any of it personally.

Kitchen
I have noticed that the upkeep of the kitchen has been slack of late. Leaving dishes for a number of days can’t continue. I’m asking that we both insure that our dishes are washed and put away in a timely manner. This is considered to be the evening food is made and at the latest the following day. As we both use the same pots, pans etc its fair that these should be available for use when needed.

Wiping down of kitchen suffices and cooker should really be done after use. Both yourself and blank tend to leave crumbs and spillages. Which lead to making things harder to clean and can lead to bugs if not cleaned.

Empty bottles and jars can go directly into the bin, we do not have recycling so there is know need to store them unless you are keeping bottles for your own reasons. I know I tend to leave some on the side above the bin this generally because I’m taking it out the next morning.

Please can you try to empty the washing machine as soon as after use. There are plenty of occasions where cloths have been washed and left in the machine for a number days. This is not good for the machine as damp can course mould in the machine and will also course it to smell. Plus this will avoid you having to do a rewash of the same cloths you have already washed. Hence saving extra wear on the machine and electricity. I would suggest planning a bit better, i.e. if you know you are heading to bed or going out etc is that really the best time to put on a wash?

Just to add when washing up the sink should aslo be was down and food emptied from the plug hole.

Living Room
All I ask is that we remember this is a communal area for us and guests, and it’s appearance is 1 a reflection on me and how I keep the home and 2 how other may view our living conditions.

I would appreciate it if washing can be taken out in a timely manor I know we have limited drying space but genially cloths will dry in 1 day.

Bathroom
blank mentioned water clogging in the shower, this is due to a build-up of hair going down the drain. I know falling hair cannot be helped but after showering removing the hair from the plug hole will help to lessen the situation. I don’t know who took the cover off the other day but im sure you will have both seen the hair that was just on the plug hole that is what need to be pulled out and hair removed from.

I sorted the outside drain on Saturday which is where the problem lies and there was a huge build-up of hair (shower) and food (kitchen). The shower also requires cleaning after use i.e. washed down, you have colour in your hair which when was does stain the tiles.

Bedroom
OK, I have had to go into your room a couple of times and I won’t lie I was a bit shocked. How you keep you room is up to you. but I cannot continue to allow a build-up of dishes and glasses in there. blank and yourself seem to go through a number of glasses, I can’t see how as it just 2 of you. I’m going to sound like my mother here but you have to go to the kitchen to get a fresh glass so why not take the dirty one out at the same time lol. Any way just try and keep on top of it.

Please don’t take this the wrong way, but there is a funny smell coming from your room, I think it’s a bit of damp from your washing mixed with smoke. Your room needs to be aired out and I think you need a day to fully rewash everything on a full cycle.

General
In terms of overall cleaning, it seems to just be me doing it as you will have noticed mostly on a Saturday afternoon this happens. you guys may think I enjoy cleaning I can insure you that I don’t as said before things should be a certain way as you never know who or when someone may come around. I know you have said to ask if there is any thing I want you to do. I don’t think this is the case you ca both see we things look a little untidy its nothing to pick the hover up and run it round a day in the week or lend a hand when cleaning. I’m not a cleaner not there to pick up after everyone else.

I would also ask for you guys to take a bit more care around, there have been a number of breakages of glasses plates etc. I know accidents happen but the number seems to be pretty high.

I’m also going to suggest we return to no more smoking in the living room with immediate effect. The odd one here and there on a weekend when going out or if guests are around for a night I don’t mind to much. Other thank that I ask you smoke in your room or the bathroom with the window open

Charles staying has increased, I’m sorry but that needs to be tamed back a bit. I’m going to says 3 days a week. I believe that is a fair amount of time considering other share don’t allow staying over at all. At the end of the day he has a home to I don’t know his situation but you can share the load if your wanting to spend nights together.

The key sharing and coming round when no one is home has to stop, I don’t know how much that has happened of it it’s happened with others but I can’t allow it. You need to remember at the end of the day he is a guest.

I believe these are all the issues I needed to address, like I said at the start none of it is personal and I would have rather spoken to you. If there is anything that you need to talk to me about then please feel free to. I don’t want you to feel like I am not approachable because I am and will listen to any issues you may have because we are not perfect.

No this brings me to what you and blank asked about him moving in.
I have considered it and thought long and hard about it. I’m sorry to say that at this point in time I will have to say this is not possible for a few different reasons. In my head I just can’t see it working but its not to say it can’t in the new year.

your main reason being that for it was to save a bit of money which I believe was on the assumption of rent remaining the same. However in reality that would not be the case as there would be an increase in rent if it ever were to happen to around £675 which would save you about £100.

I don’t know how these leaves you financially with whatever your situation is, but of course I’m happy to talk with you about this further. As I’m sure you may have questions.

inatdeepend

Blimey, you are more tolerant than I am. I'd have told her to bu$$er of a long time ago!

DT12

I think what you're saying overall is fair. Though it might seems a little brutal to have it all written out in front of you all in one go; but it seems that can't be helped.

Mojisola

asoe209 wrote: »

Low and behold I get home to them both there and her mum turning up 15mins later.

The key sharing and coming round when no one is home has to stop, I don’t know how much that has happened of it it’s happened with others but I can’t allow it. You need to remember at the end of the day he is a guest.

:eek: to your need to write the letter at all! She isn't a teenager and you aren't her Mum - if she can't respect your home and you, give her notice.

As for the two bits in bold above - you really are becoming the outsider in your own home if her BF and her Mum are there regularly.

She needs to remember he is a guest but you should keep in mind that she is also just a lodger - it's your home.

asoe209

Yeah I would agree and im sure most would not put up with as much of that at all.


I did think I may have seemed a bit much but they needed to said or things would never change and she would it be aware and just think its ok.


For now I see how things go and if she improves.

asoe209

Mum was just a general visit, 2nd time she has been there in 8 months