Lodger wants to move there partner in?

fairy_lights

Of course it won't be the same living-wise as it is now, there will be an extra person in your flat permanently, more queues for the bathroom, more people trying to cook dinner at once, more arguments about what to watch on TV. He's right the rent should go up by £50 to cover the extra bills...and then some more, to cover his own rent.
Does he see this as a long term arrangement, or will they move out and get a place of their own in the near future?
If I were you I wouldn't have been happy about it being the boyfriend who started the conversation, if your tenant wants him to move in it's HER responsibility to discuss it with you.

RAS

What do you currently charge? If it is less than ££4,250 including bills and CT, then you can use the rent a room scheme (that's £354 per month ish).

If you charge more than that then you have to declare income and expenditure to the tax man and pay tax at your highest rate on the net income.

So a whole different ball game.

I do not think you should be discussing this with him at all. You should only talk to her.

shop-to-drop

An extra £50 a week doesn't sound too unrealistic but is it really worth it for sharing your home with a couple.

Why doesn't her boyfriend just help his partner with the rent until they can find a suitable place to rent together as a couple.

katejo

RAS wrote: »

What do you currently charge? If it is less than ££4,250 including bills and CT, then you can use the rent a room scheme (that's £354 per month ish).

If you charge more than that then you have to declare income and expenditure to the tax man and pay tax at your highest rate on the net income.

So a whole different ball game.

I do not think you should be discussing this with him at all. You should only talk to her.

If you only exceed the £4250 by a small amount (up to about 2K extra- don't have the exact figure to hand), you don't have to do a full income/expenditure tax return. You can just pay tax on the amount in excess of the £4250.

JencParker

asoe209 wrote: »

How oftenare they staying now?

Well thisstarted small ad got more frequent as time went on its safe to say on averagethe partner will be there form Friday to Sunday, and prob at least 1-2 eveninga week. as mentioned she the lodger started a 2nd part time jobwhich seems to be evenings.

I had oneday off work a week or so ago, I returned from the shops to find he was thereand the she had given him her key so he could chill there, I don’t know if thishappens often.

Do they ever go round his place?

I believe theygo round now and ten, but he lives with his parents and it’s a bit of a fullhouse which is why he comes round more often as a getaway.

Why your place and not his for the move in?

As theabove comment states

If there are issues already that need addressing, will likely increase.

Hopefully notonce these issues have been outline to them.

two bed two bath to even think about permanent.

1 shower…..hum lol

rent check the going rate in the area for double rooms for 2 people.

Will haveto take a look.

how are you doing bills and will any increase hit the rent a room limit.

All billsincluded in current rent im on key and card. If it runs out or low I top it up.with winter coming noticing the change in gas already on average were doingabout £12 a week on electric gas im not sure yet but I know £10 is being usedevery few days. council tax price will change and that about it

I would be pretty furious if my lodger gave her key to her boyfriend so he could let himself in and stay unaccompanied without my knowledge. She would be out the next day!

It sounds like this has slipped into a situation where he has moved in for most of the time anyway and it really needs addressing.

Personally, I wouldn't do it, sharing with a single person is very different with sharing with a couple. What happens if they argue? What will you do and how will you feel?

If you decide it is ok, then they need to pay the rate for two people.

Sounds to me like they are taking advantage already. You are using a key metre and letting two people live for the price of one and topping the metre up if it runs low!?!?!

Honestly, I think you're being taken for a ride - you need to toughen up, regardless of what you decide.

Good luck

asoe209

Thanks all, it does seem that way I can’t deny that that I haveto grow a back bone and lay down the laws and stick to them.

Seems most are ageist this sort of thing.

Lol ill add I think he meant £50 total increase.

That’s a good question why they don’t look for their ownplace, I can only assume they can’t afford it and this would help him to getout as much as it helps her stay afloat.

LEJC

asoe....you seem to answer the points of this couple living with you and the fact that you need to be more decisive and potentially lay the ground rules down more....


but....
i have yet to see you actually answer any of the questions that have been raised regarding the legalities of this couple living with you...
Do you have a leashold flat?
have you advised the management company that you have a lodger,and subsequently are considering a second lodger?
What has their response been regarding the number of unrelated people living in the property excceding the number of bedrooms?


These are all things that you need to consider and find the answers to before this couple move in.....if you are in breech of your management contract if your property is leasehold you will be at fault,not your lodgers.
people who live around you may also not like the situation and could make complaints especially if they feel occupants are not respecting he terms of any restrictions.


Even very practical things like there is possibly going to be an increase in your contents insurance cover need to be considered....the arrival of another lodger should not be taken lightly....if your property were to be stolen or damaged if all the people living in the property are noy documented any claim could be void

Kynthia

LEJC wrote: »

asoe....you seem to answer the points of this couple living with you and the fact that you need to be more decisive and potentially lay the ground rules down more....


but....
i have yet to see you actually answer any of the questions that have been raised regarding the legalities of this couple living with you...
Do you have a leashold flat?
have you advised the management company that you have a lodger,and subsequently are considering a second lodger?
What has their response been regarding the number of unrelated people living in the property excceding the number of bedrooms?


These are all things that you need to consider and find the answers to before this couple move in.....if you are in breech of your management contract if your property is leasehold you will be at fault,not your lodgers.
people who live around you may also not like the situation and could make complaints especially if they feel occupants are not respecting he terms of any restrictions.


Even very practical things like there is possibly going to be an increase in your contents insurance cover need to be considered....the arrival of another lodger should not be taken lightly....if your property were to be stolen or damaged if all the people living in the property are noy documented any claim could be void

I don't know why you are so concerned about the OP telling the management company that she has lodgers. I've never heard of a lease that restricts having a lodger or limits the number of people living in the property. Do you have such a lease?

Yorkie1

Kynthia wrote: »

I don't know why you are so concerned about the OP telling the management company that she has lodgers. I've never heard of a lease that restricts having a lodger or limits the number of people living in the property. Do you have such a lease?

I've seen quite a few posts on here where the leasehold has referred to single households or similar.

Edit: And, even if OP doesn't need to tell anyone, it might give a convenient reason for nobody else to officially move in ... !

Pixie5740

asoe209 wrote: »

Thanks all, it does seem that way I can’t deny that that I haveto grow a back bone and lay down the laws and stick to them.

Seems most are ageist this sort of thing.

Lol ill add I think he meant £50 total increase.

That’s a good question why they don’t look for their ownplace, I can only assume they can’t afford it and this would help him to getout as much as it helps her stay afloat.

By your own admission you've been too soft with your lodger. That will only get worse when there are two of them.

Your lodger has been pushing the boundaries, letting her boyfriend stay over most nights, giving him keys to leave him alone in your home, getting the boyfriend to speak with you about him moving in. Time to put a stop to this before it really gets out of hand.