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diamonds wrote: »

Which is fair enough, but having a FUP of 1000GB was 3's own choosing. It would have been much more proactive to change the FUP with 30 days notice.

Or if they had wanted to #makeitright in a moral way they could have left people on the one plan and just instituted a tethering limit on the plan with 30 days notice and left everything else as contracted.

That was probably too simple for the geniuses at Hutch HQ to have thought of, or it was more about the extra profit of pushing people onto higher monthly plans .

diamonds

joeluken wrote: »

EE's mobile infrastruture i.e. mobile sites etc is provided by a company called MBNL that is jointly owned (50/50) with Three.

MBNL was created around 2007 by what was then T-Mobile and Three. This was so succesful that several years later Telefonica UK (O2) and Vodafone UK also created a smililar joint venture company called Cornerstone that means the majority of Voda and O2 were consolidated and are now shared by both.

It will be interesting to see how CKH (Three) buying Telefonica's UK O2 business will unfold given that it will have an interest in both MBNL and Conerstone joint ventures creating massive overlap and cost dupication. Exiting a JV will leave the remaining partner will a massive increase in costs.

https://www.mbnl.co.uk

IF with spectrum disposal 3 get the go ahead Ofcom should enforce a Cornerstone/MBNL merger with all 4 (1 new network from spectrum sell off) having ownership (like pay4it), it brings costs down and consumers coverage so its a win win all round, thus networks compete on pricing more than ever.

joeluken

diamonds wrote: »

Ofcom should enforce a Cornerstone/MBNL merger with all 4

I can't see that happening.

It's also interesting to compare the amount of spectrum a combined O2/Three would hold compared to EE/BT. Last time I looked EE alone had a smilar amount of specrtrum as O2 and Voda put together. That's after giving away 2x15MHz 1800 to Three as a condition of the creation of EE and before adding BT's 2.6GHz 4G win or other other spectrum holding. A combined O2/Three still has less spectrum than EE today before it combined with BT.

I'm sure Ofcom will be watching from the sidelines what the EU Commission overseeing the O2/Three merger announces.

diamonds

joeluken wrote: »

I can't see that happening.

It's also interesting to compare the amount of spectrum a combined O2/Three would hold compared to EE/BT. Last time I looked EE alone had a smilar amount of specrtrum as O2 and Voda put together. That's after giving away 2x15MHz 1800 to Three as a condition of the creation of EE and before adding BT's 2.6GHz 4G win or other other spectrum holding. A combined O2/Three still has less spectrum than EE today before it combined with BT.

I'm sure Ofcom will be watching from the sidelines what the EU Commission overseeing the O2/Three merger announces.

The upcoming spectrum auctions from old 700mhz TV spectrum may play a part in the EU Commission decision, it may allow the merger if Ofcom agree a no 4 player a mobile telecom licence with LTE voice on the 700mhz band would be an advantage on a 4G network over 2&3G coverage and cost (and the diminished termination rates).

diamonds

diamonds wrote: »

The upcoming spectrum auctions from old 700mhz TV spectrum may play a part in the EU Commission decision, it may allow the merger if Ofcom agree a no 4 player a mobile telecom licence with LTE voice on the 700mhz band would be an advantage on a 4G network over 2&3G coverage and cost (and the diminished termination rates).

If it goes ahead, 3 will buy/partner with a broadband provider as even Virgin as a virtual mobile network will be more on a equal footing with the other two majors BT and Vodafone (Cable&Wireless) with their data offload via broadband wifi calling/picocells.

joeluken

diamonds wrote: »

The upcoming spectrum auctions from old 700mhz TV spectrum

What's the lastes timescale on 700MHz becoming available for mobile ?

I think the last thing I read from Ofcom suggested a target of around 2022. Has this now been brought forward ?

diamonds

joeluken wrote: »

What's the lastes timescale on 700MHz becoming available for mobile ?

I think the last thing I read from Ofcom suggested a target of around 2022. Has this now been brought forward ?

It was...and then put back again, government & government funded depts and bodies, you could not run a business like such!

agarnett

So then, you radio frequency tarts, and Offcom watchers - have we a mobile telecommunications cartel in the UK or not? You know what I think.

And how come you've launched yourselves here and muddied the low down and instead pointed at some of the surface features? :P

diamonds

agarnett wrote: »

So then, you radio frequency tarts, and Offcom watchers - have we a mobile telecommunications cartel in the UK or not? You know what I think.

And how come you've launched yourselves here and muddied the low down and instead pointed at some of the surface features? :P

brit'osh dont do cartels darling, we're far too decent, upper class and posh, so much so that pesky EU killed the Ranger Rover Defender, one has no idea how I'm going to defend myself, how is one to make it to my last Wednesday lunch every month to my libor banker with a new Defender when the new reg plates come in?

Second hand cars are so huckingly poor dahling ya, I might catch something off the vanity mirror or worse Jeevious might off the steering wheel, and how will I manage after he has gone, his life insurance policy wont cover training someone of my standards.

I'm going to defend my rights and David against the low down middle class and that Everything Universal potty place, hail Britannia referendum ya...I'm surfacing dah'ling ya.. kisses ya, see you for afternoon tea on the 24th dah'ling ya, ya bye toodles mwah

gycraig_2

agarnett wrote: »

Yes and what precisely is the ownership structure of EE? And who controls large parts of the network infrastructure EE use? Have a look at the government mobile phone mast sitefinder database and look at the labels of the companies which own the masts. It is like a look back in time pre-EE, but don't dismiss the labels as incorrect. My first mobile (my employer paid) was with Vodafone in 1990/91 interestingly from CarPhone Warehouse when Charles Dunstone might sometimes have been spotted behind the counter ! I had a personal contract with Orange for a bit (when it was Hutchison) then a long stint with BT Cellnet which became BT Mobile and then O2 and then Telefonica.

Every name I have mentioned so far and more besides would have been folded into EE had I stayed, right? And now if I wasn't looking carefully I'd say it was actually all BT owned again now, right? Wrong!

Too cheap compared to what? Chips? Pigeon post? There is nothing competitive out there. It's a cartel. You are a paid part of it but haven't yet realised!

You think you work for a "competitor", but actually its just a different coloured hamster wheel across the street from the other cartel hamster wheels. So? Why are you still trying ? - time to move on to a bank perhaps? Or have you been promised a shake-up of the market so all these upset customers can be freshly milked in your shop?

You could quite easily move into retail banking now perhaps. That's where most smart mobile phone salesmen get their next job, is it not?

My kids each got their first mobile phone contracts with 3 mobile £15 SIM only contracts in the last 12 months in their own names. The latest of them was set up only three months ago. You are wrong. I appreciate not everyone has a parent who is smart enough to cause ripe fruit to fall from the trees into their offspring's laps, but who is stupid now?

The world is your oyster if you are smart enough to know how to exploit existing relationships and play the field at a level you don't read much about in these forums. Otherwise you get milked for longer than the rest of us, that's all. Now we are all being churned but no doubt a few of the smartest will soon find a way to protect their mobile phone budgets again Do you envy the smartest? Instead of calling them stupid you could look further than the headline offers of other phone shops across the shopping mall, and instead of too quickly saying "I can't beat that", spend a bit of time to take note of what the footfall you say you cannot sell to are actually telling you they have achieved, and how. Or is that boring? Probably!

It's not your fault that you haven't yet got enough experience to comment on the whole history of mobile phones or dongles in the UK. It's not a criticism - I'd rather be your age with a lifetime of experience and surprises to look forward to than my age with too much of it behind me for comfort

Which reminds me, soon time for gym else the old bones will seize up! :j

i might be missing something but the ownership of companies 25 years ago is irrelevant is it not ?.

the fact there is nothing else out there competitive is the exact reason 3 are doing this, to build market share they needed silly offers as at the time they had the worst network.


personally i really enjoy my job so dont see why i would move into another job :S

"My kids each got their first mobile phone contracts with 3 mobile £15 SIM only contracts in the last 12 months in their own names. The latest of them was set up only three months ago. You are wrong. I appreciate not everyone has a parent who is smart enough to cause ripe fruit to fall from the trees into their offspring's laps, but who is stupid now?"

i pay 23 quid a month for an iphone 6s with 5 gig of data on ee that is adequate for me why would i be phoning 3 trying to get an unlimited sim :S

"The world is your oyster if you are smart enough to know how to exploit existing relationships and play the field at a level you don't read much about in these forums. Otherwise you get milked for longer than the rest of us, that's all. Now we are all being churned but no doubt a few of the smartest will soon find a way to protect their mobile phone budgets again Do you envy the smartest? Instead of calling them stupid you could look further than the headline offers of other phone shops across the shopping mall, and instead of too quickly saying "I can't beat that", spend a bit of time to take note of what the footfall you say you cannot sell to are actually telling you they have achieved, and how. Or is that boring? Probably!"

i cant sell them new contracts with phones and neither can 3 hence them coming in to buy sim free handsets to put there legacy sims in.

achieved ? they bought a sim only which is to be fair an amazing deal and now 2 years later just replace the phone as it works out cheaper you dont exactly need to be a genius to figure that out.

the value of a product can go up or down over time, three is now a vastly superior network to what it used to be, it has 4g which is very recent and it has largely managed to shake off its negative image after spending a fortune on tv adverts etc.

the service is now a lot better so has more value than it used to be, three will not be losing money doing this or they wouldnt of done it.