FOR LAND REGISTRY REP please

Land_Registry

Any application for first registration has to be clear with regards what land/property extent is being applied for. In most cases this will rely on the deeds and a plan available therein or OS detail simply because it is the easiest and cheapest to access

Claiming it through some other means could refer to adverse possession or indeed through production of documentary evidence to support the registration for example other deeds to show ownership.

Securing title to land/property is invariably achieved through documentary title but where that does not exist then the only other option is to claim ownership either through demonstrating how the deeds have been lost or that you have acquired possession over time.

There is no distinguishment between rightful owner or claimant as they could in fact be one and the same where the rightful owner cannot provide documentary title and as such have to rely on providing sufficient evidence to support their own claim as to ownership.

Form FR1 would always be relevant where the land/property is being registered for the first time. In this example form AP1 has been referred to for the scenario where the application is affecting land which is already registered.

Our online guidance on First registration (with or without deeds) and Adverse possession will help explain things in more detail from a registration angle - PGs 1, 2 4 and 5 cover this

I would however encourage you to seek legal advice as well

G_M

Seems to me that

* the land in question is unregistered
* neither the OP nor the neighbour have clear documentation of ownership
* both OP and neighbour wish to claim ownership
* Neighbour appears to hace started a formal claim

In these circumstances I see a dispute in the offing.

Get legal advice!

moneyistooshorttomention

Still in process of dealing with this.

Looks like I need to do the form FR1 then (ie Application for First Registration). I have that form and will fill that one in.

1. Which particular Practice Guide tells me how to do this please?

2. Land Reg. rep that is emailing me is saying I should submit a "DL". What is a DL please and how do I get it?

3. I appreciate your comment/their comments in email re getting legal advice. I would get a solicitor to do this for me if I could - though I am in such a small place that the solicitor firms here are tiny and I doubt any of them specialise in land law as a consequence. However, I cant go to a solicitor anyway, as I simply cant afford it.

Basically, the person who is trying to steal my land can obviously afford solicitors and is clearly using one. However, I cant afford them and therefore cant do so and am having to do things myself.

Have you got any useful suggestions as to how best to proceed/understand exactly what to do in the circumstances that one party to this can afford a solicitor, but the "true owner" (ie myself) cant? I have explained in response to latest LR email that there is this discrepancy in financial circumstances that means they can afford one and I cant and I trust/presume this is being taken into account so I don't get disadvantaged because of the difference in our respective financial circumstances??

This isn't an easy process to go through, so is there a dead simple Idiots Guide to applying for First Registration (for your own land) that I can consult please? I am intelligent (fortunately), but this is all new to me and I don't understand the process.

Flat_Eric

Form DL (LRDL) is the Land Registry form that you would submit with the FR1 form. Its the form where you list all the documents you are sending in. If I recollect correctly, you send two copies of the DL form.

I suspect it can be downloaded from the web.

moneyistooshorttomention

Flat_Eric wrote: »

Form DL (LRDL) is the Land Registry form that you would submit with the FR1 form. Its the form where you list all the documents you are sending in. If I recollect correctly, you send two copies of the DL form.

I suspect it can be downloaded from the web.

Thank you.

Do I actually have to use that DL form or can I just make out my own list of documents I am sending in? I know commonsense dictates that I can just say "Herewith enclosed x document, y document, etc".

Can I just go by commonsense and do that and make my own listing of what documents I am sending in? (reason being I cant download anything from the Web very readily, as I don't have a printer). I'm only going to be sending a couple of documents or so and not great big sheaves of them after all.

martindow

moneyistooshorttomention wrote: »

Thank you.

Do I actually have to use that DL form or can I just make out my own list of documents I am sending in? I know commonsense dictates that I can just say "Herewith enclosed x document, y document, etc".

As they ask you to use their form I would do that - you seem to be wanting to add a complication here!

The form is downloadable from here

https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/land-registry-forms

davidmcn

moneyistooshorttomention wrote: »

Do I actually have to use that DL form or can I just make out my own list of documents I am sending in? I know commonsense dictates that I can just say "Herewith enclosed x document, y document, etc".

I would say that common sense dictates that for the sake of consistency, clarity and efficiency, everyone fills in the same form rather than make up their own format of application.

If you don't have a printer then find someone who does - lots of places offer it as a service, or try your local library.

Land_Registry

Form DL must be supplied in duplicate I'm afraid - like the form FR1 it is a prescribed form

If you don't have a printer or access to one through a friend/relative for example then contact us and we can send two out in the post to you.
Presumably you also need an application form as well

Davesnave

moneyistooshorttomention wrote: »

Can I just go by commonsense and do that and make my own listing of what documents I am sending in? (reason being I cant download anything from the Web very readily, as I don't have a printer). I'm only going to be sending a couple of documents or so and not great big sheaves of them after all.

I would seriously consider buying a printer, as everything is becoming so web-focused.

In the meantime, your local library will do this download & print for you.

moneyistooshorttomention

Land_Registry_representative wrote: »

Form DL must be supplied in duplicate I'm afraid - like the form FR1 it is a prescribed form

If you don't have a printer or access to one through a friend/relative for example then contact us and we can send two out in the post to you.
Presumably you also need an application form as well

Thank you. Will do.

1. When you say about an "application form" is that a 3rd form I have to do or is it:
- one form FR1
- two forms DL

and that's that?

2. When I fill in that DL form, then I presume I just put "x bit of paper sent already under separate cover" for that evidence I have sent up already with the initial letter the local Land Registry requested me to send (ie I've sent my letter by email - because I have pretty illegible handwriting, but very good typing skills). I've also sent photos of the land up by post and by email. It would be difficult for me to re-do sending the photos, because I've had to get a friend to deal with these for me anyway.

3. I've been told that the neighbour that is trying to take some of my land has had their application for this forwarded onto the Land Registry office. Out of the two possible ways I can think of that she might be trying to claim my land (one temporarily for herself only and one permanently for future owners of her house), I need to know which one it is she is trying to claim my land under. I'm obviously entitled to know which of these two ways she is trying to do so. Is there a legal requirement on the Land Registry to tell me which of the two methods I am aware of she is trying to use to get it?