Revenge !!!!!! - have you experienced it or have your children?

Tropez

Lily-Rose wrote: »

Have to agree with Peter, tropez, ronald mcdonaldo, and hgsparkle. If people take naked pictures of themselves and give them to someone, and that 'someone' shares them, then they are as much to blame as the person sharing, for being dumb enough to do it in the first place!

I didn't say that. In fact, that's the exact opposite of my views on the subject.

Comparing people voluntarily taking pics of themselves naked and sharing them with boyfriends/girlfriends etc, to people being sexually abused and groomed is ridiculous.

I did say that though

fairy_lights

Lily-Rose wrote: »

And if my daughter was stupid enough to do it (which she isn't,) I would say exactly the same to her. 'It's your own fault!!!'

I don't understand why it would be her fault? That's like saying, if anyone ever hurts you it was your own fault for trusting them in the first place!
The only people to blame in these situations are the one's who share these photos without consent, deliberately to cause harm.

hgotsparkle

fairy_lights wrote: »

I don't understand why it would be her fault? That's like saying, if anyone ever hurts you it was your own fault for trusting them in the first place!
The only people to blame in these situations are the one's who share these photos without consent, deliberately to cause harm.

Exactly!
Upset because you lost your job? Shouldn't have had a job in the first place. Its the same!

Everything you do has a risk attached to it, if nothing was risky, the world would be a very boring and mundane place. If someone see you naked, do you try to erase their memory of that in case they describe how you look to other people? If you trust someone to see you naked, and you trust them to hold personal photos of you, then its entirely their judgement on what they do with those photos, and if they post them online as an act of revenge, for say, you ending things because you wanted different things, then thats their problem and their fault.

Edit: You could even add that them having a picture of your face is wrong because anyone with good enough skills, or knows someone with said skills could photoshop your face onto a random picture of a naked person and post it.

Idiophreak

Honestly, I think us being so uptight about this stuff, as a society, really serves nobody.

The issue is the "damage" than can be done to people who have these images leaked / shared etc...and that's, really, what we should be addressing, more than the leaking itself.

If someone shared nude photos of me on the Internet, I fully expect my reaction would be "shocking, I have a penis" and that would be about it.

The problem would come when people start hating / trolling on people...I can see how that would be upsetting for a youngster...but tackling trolls is a whole different issue that's much bigger than this debate. People pick on and bully people for countless reasons, these images just being one of them.

De-sensationalising nudity has to be the sensible thing to do, rather than attempting to "lock it down", which will just make things worse in the long term.

thorsoak

Forgive my somewhat-cynical view of things, but as someone who has survived the swinging sixties/sexy seventies, I've seen it all, heard it all, read it all!

Idiophreak I will ask you: would your oh so liberal views be skewed if you were suddenly presented with sexy pictures of your daughter/granddaughter being available on t'internet?

FireWyrm

I've always thought that the 'elephant in the room' here is that if these pictures didnt exist in the first place they couldnt be posted online. What sort of puerile person takes a naked picture of themselves in the first place, or allows them to be taken. Even if you DO allow them (in a moment of inebriation or madness) you delete them again afterwards. Honestly, why would you keep such things around?

I've always worked on the basis that you dont post anything online (or take naked pictures) that you wouldnt be happy for your grandmother to see.

It's like cyber bullying...it only works if the person being bullied actually reads the posts on the facebook wall. If you simply delete the facebook account, voila, no more 'bullying'.

Tropez

FireWyrm wrote: »

I've always thought that the 'elephant in the room' here is that if these pictures didnt exist in the first place they couldnt be posted online. What sort of puerile person takes a naked picture of themselves in the first place, or allows them to be taken. Even if you DO allow them (in a moment of inebriation or madness) you delete them again afterwards. Honestly, why would you keep such things around?

I've always worked on the basis that you dont post anything online (or take naked pictures) that you wouldnt be happy for your grandmother to see.

It's like cyber bullying...it only works if the person being bullied actually reads the posts on the facebook wall. If you simply delete the facebook account, voila, no more 'bullying'.

That's very simplistic, especially the bit about cyber bullying.

FireWyrm

Tropez wrote: »

That's very simplistic, especially the bit about cyber bullying.

Why, is simply deleting your facebook account too simple a solution to ocurre to people? In the words of Pat Morita in Karate Kid....best defense, not be there.

Stevie_Palimo

I have done pics and videos and never had an issue as they were done by consenting adults and if mine went viral then I wouldn't lose much sleep although I can understand this does upset to others with pic or videos being posted against there knowledge.

Tropez

FireWyrm wrote: »

Why, is simply deleting your facebook account too simple a solution to ocurre to people? In the words of Pat Morita in Karate Kid....best defense, not be there.

Because it doesn't deal with the problem.

A few years ago a company called Blizzard Entertainment, makers of video games such as World of Warcraft, announced that they would be enforcing the use of real-names to post on their forums. There was much outcry among their subscribers who felt this was a poor move with possible security hazards. One of Blizzard's employees dismissed concerns and posted his real name. Within minutes, details emerged of that person's home address, his wife's work address, where his kids went to school and even his criminal record. Unsurprisingly, Blizzard switched their policy.

If you think that cyber bullying is simply nasty posts on a Facebook page, you're sorely mistaken. Real cyber bullying is a campaign of abuse aimed at not only the victim but those who are in some way linked to the victim - family, friends, colleagues, even their employer or teachers. Shutting down a Facebook page does not stop somebody else from contacting one's mother, employer, making threats towards kids etc. The sole purpose is to use every little thing that somebody could find out about an individual (and that's a lot) to intrude on their life outside of the virtual world.

And we live in an age where for some it is simply necessary to maintain social network profiles. Authors, especially, are required to do so because it is some of the only promotion that they can afford and that makes them great targets for it. Should somebody be forced to give up a career because of the behaviour of a minority of vile people by shutting down one of their few promotional resources? I don't think so.