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Yorkie1

vivatifosi wrote: »

On the subject of colds... I deal with the public every day. My strategy for avoidance includes judicious use of alcohol wipes on surfaces and drinking high juice blackcurrant (which tablet wants to change to the more interesting high juice recalcitrant).

I was listening to a radio show in the car tonight, and the presenter was saying that they'd had a virologist or similar in, to do an experiment by analysing the surfaces (touchscreen, microphone, mouse, buttons, etc.) in the radio studio. It was teeming with viruses :eek:

lostinrates wrote: »

Plenty of veg options as you can prep it all use what you need and Tupperware and freeze the rest for next time you need it. ( I find my freezer inventory very useful)

I once had good intentions re. freezer inventories ...

So sorry to hear you're still under the weather michaels, hope the antiBs do the job and you feel brighter asap and are able to fly.

Stay safe, Gen and family.

Generali

vivatifosi wrote: »

Gen, they were reporting here a while back that there are early reports coming in that they know who and where but it's a fast moving situation. Not sure if same is being reported there or whether there's a blackout, or for that matter, if it's true. Two brothers and their friend, returnees from Syria. It's not in Paris any more. AP has named them.

My French is being stretched to breaking point but they are saying here the police have 3 good suspects, 2 in their 30s and one youth of about 18.

Funnily enough, a previous incarnation of this magazine was shut down by the French Government for mocking coverage of CdG's death.

They just showed crowds in Trafalgar Square as well as in le Place de la Concorde ('Peace Square' would be a poetic translation).

I suspect that the only winner from this will be Marine le Pen. Nasty racist woman that she is. It worries me where this ends. Stuff like this makes people angry and that is clearly the Extremist strategy. I strongly suspect that they simply want all out war between 'Islam' and 'Christianity'. Attacking France, possibly the most secular country in the world serves that aim apparently.

lostinrates

Yorkie1 wrote: »

I once had good intentions re. freezer inventories ...

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I think I put a photo of mine up when I first did it.

I wouldn't cope with a paper/file or computer one, I have a big black board on the wall behind the chest freezer and its divided into animal/vegetBle and milkable then more boringly into sort of breads and ready made/precooked ( whether bought like fish fingers or home made and frozen. ) but meals though on main inventory mainly go in the cheese room freezer.

Generali

Apparently there is an ongoing raid to arrest the gunmen. I think the police have seized at least one Kalashnikov.

The police aren't confirming that the raid is to arrest the gunmen, only that there is a connection.

Generali

PasturesNew wrote: »

I skim-read the header info on a DM story - it said that some woman cartoonist/worker let them into the building by giving them the 4 digit security code... then hid with her daughter, under the desk, while they went round killing specific people.

If I were her I'd have not gone public with that information!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2900750/I-let-terrorists-Charlie-Hebdo-offices-cowered-desk-daughter-watched-execute-cartoonists-Cartoonist-reveals-survived-attack.html

The news here is saying that they 'tailgated' a postman through the door.

GDB2222

Generali wrote: »

LOL. It was Martin McGuinness before this. They never succeed.



Nope, been to La Louvre this avo and am now in H&M 'enjoying' the first day of the sales. Then off for dinner with a friend. Something a little bit more modest than yesterday. We fly out tomorrow. We're staying in the next arrondissement from where the car was found. It doesn't bother me. More people will have died of smoking and drinking in France today than terrorism. Eating an extra portion of veg and crossing at the lights will increase my life expectancy more than staying indoors I reckon.

Around 200 deaths a day from smoking in France, every day, compared to 12 once off from terrorism.

Generali

GDB2222 wrote: »

Around 200 deaths a day from smoking in France, every day, compared to 12 oncoutside the com terrorism.

I can confirm that the French remain enthusiastic smokers from my brief visit. Far more people were outside the caf! as we had dinner than inside deapite it being what French meteorologists call 'sodding froid'.

To go with the 200 today will be the thousand odd so far this year vs 0 from terrorism.

I'm positive they're saying on the news that an operation is in progress to arrest them.

LydiaJ

lostinrates wrote: »

No, you are mis reading what I have said over a series of posts.

I did NOT say it was easy or was swanning around. I said some people do it that way. Very clearly. The difference IS evident in their children. Like it or not, it is.

I did NOT find it easy. Let's be clear, it was not the most intellectually stimulating thing I have done, not the most stressful, but
If you read back in my responses you will see I was saying done well it is draining in all respects but financial. Done poorly....it is a chore that impedes on swanning around. More like having a low interest pet dog.

It was fun, and rewarding and tiring and I detesting lots of the play date kids and mommas and I hated those bloody sippy cups ( which used to be called beakers....getting that mouth part clean). But it was fun knowing that things we were talking about was going in and having funny conversations where you realised how misleading your explanation had been and having to rectify it. I missed having a lone time ( particularly as it was at a very busy and stressful but wildly exciting point in my life (and was putting strain on other areas of my life) and I also had ' parent' impact and couldn't make all the parenting decisions which was hard because you'd just get a routine in place and the parent would rip it up and undermine it and then leave me with distraught kids again, a frustrated and not easy going partner. I was certainly not able to be sah with them. They went to nursery and preschool/school at the same places as each other and that tedious wait for one to finish after the other and being excited to chat to them both but also wondering if things were going well with work stuff was very difficult as I felt all the time very torn.

There is a whole layer of parenting between criminal and just normally flawed. And THOSE are what I am thinking about when Pn talks of the swanning around parents.

Easy no, but I didn't say to do it well it was easy, and that you have inferred that suggests a miscommunication. In this case I do not feel the miscommunication is solely mine.

Yes, that does make it seem much more like a miscommunication over a slight difference in viewpoint rather than a fundamental disagreement of principle. I am more than happy to agree that the miscommunication was at least partly mine. But then my policy on miscommunication is always to try to identify it, correct it and apologise for contributing to it but not bother about attempting to identify the extent to which it was each person's fault, anyway.

My perception of the discussion is that DoozerGirl and I were disagreeing with the assertion that mothers who don't go out and do paid work are swanning around - in the context of the original discussion of the woman who wanted to emigrate to NZ. We both feel (if I've understood DG correctly) that toddlers are hard work, and that any attempt to parent one or more of them at any level higher than the criminally negligent constitutes much more work than the "swanning around" label implies. Further than that, I feel that the frustrations, isolation and stresses experienced by anybody who is the main carer for a toddler (or more than one) are very similar, whether they are making an exemplary job of it, a more or less adequate job of it, or anything in between, and that includes teenage mothers who hang around smoking with their toddlers in pushchairs.

I entirely agree with you that parenting toddlers can be done well or badly, and that it makes a huge difference to the child(ren) which. Different people are good and bad at different bits of it, as well as being better or worse overall. For example, I think I'm pretty good at the "listening to them and explaining stuff to them" part, and (at least in my present state) failing hopelessly at the "feeding them nutritionally balanced meals at predictable times" part, although I did pretty well at that bit when they were toddlers. There are many other parts of parenting as well, on which my performance varies significantly.

I think that the aforementioned smoking teenage mothers probably vary quite a lot - some are really doing the best they know how, while others are trying to find the bare minimum they can get away with. The underprivileged single mothers I have known personally have been in the first of those categories, but YMMV. All the data, I understand, stubbornly shows that the predictors about outcomes for children are much more to do with who the parents are (and especially who the mother is) rather than what they do. So, for example, mother's level of education is a good predictor; but whether or not the child is taken to the library is not. Some time ago a teacher at DS's school told me that he has a wide vocabulary. I only just stopped myself from replying "Well, of course - he lives with me" because I thought that would sound conceited, even though I think it's true.

Does that clear up at least some of the misunderstanding? I hope so. And before I move on to PN's freezer, I do want to say how much I feel for you having the parent keep shoving their oar in despite not being the one with the children for the bulk of the time. I imagine that must have something in common with the way I felt as the PWC when LNE as NRP shoved his oar in, except that your position was probably more powerless than mine - very difficult for you.

PasturesNew wrote: »

Water in beaker's nearly frozen already. Read the booklet and it indicated there's a temperature dial somewhere, but I looked and it's not where I thought the book meant, so now I have to read the book again to see.

Toasted/scoffed one of the (very tasty) spicy fruit soft muffins, with a splodge of marg - and smugly sliced the other three in half, popped them back into the wrapper, sealed it with a plastic clip and lobbed it into the freezer.

It's a whole new world.

:j:j:j:j:j Enjoy!

PasturesNew wrote: »

I never liked the idea of those, for the germs potential in the little holes. But, my beakers are kiddies ones that I bought when we had the NP Day Trip to Ikea. They're great for squash And so cheery.

Yes, the ones with lids are not pleasant items, but they are much more convenient than letting children have open beakers before they are old enough to manage them successfully.

LydiaJ

Nikkster wrote: »

The word 'beaker' is now inextricably linked in my mind to a word beginning with 'p'. I blame you lot.

:rotfl:

Generali wrote: »

So important never to give in to this. ISIS and all their fellow travellers and apologists are fully deserving of our mockery as well as our hatred.

Hmmm. I'm quite happy with mocking terrorists etc. I like the Matt response to the shooting:



I can't say I agree with mocking figures like Mohammed who are revered by major world religions, however. It's unkind, offensive, and hurtful to millions, including lots and lots of moderate muslims, whom we should be doing what we can to get along with. Although naturally I believe in a free society and a free press and the rights of journalists to publish things that I don't agree with.

And I don't want to hate the terrorists either. To me, hating them constitutes descending to their level. I'd rather oppose what they do without hating them as human beings.

Generali wrote: »

I suspect that the only winner from this will be Marine le Pen. Nasty racist woman that she is.

Indeed. I suspect that the publishers of Michel Houellebecq's Submission may also make a much bigger profit on sales of the book than they originally expected, after all this free advertising of it.

lostinrates

Library is an interesting one.

Some homes have few books / little disposable income for them while others have flowing shelves. I'd wonder whether library is as important as reading.....and communication about that reading. Whether its what you are going to choose to eat from a menu , what is on road wings, what's on advertising.....reading isn't just books. And no library attendance doesn't mean no reading, and library attendance doesn't mean the communication around reading.....just being read to is fantastic.....but the thinking around it even more.

Personally was not a big fan of those school readers, though see the point in them. Purely for reAding. Rattling through things that didn't interest them wasn't really helpful. Didn't hold up niece one, but think was part of the compounding problem with niece 2. Oh well....not my problem any more.